eBay and Beer Sales

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by OldSchoolGamer, Aug 1, 2012.

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  1. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Prepare to be jumped on by the Occult.
     
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  2. GabrielM

    GabrielM Initiate (0) Jun 22, 2010 Illinois

    This statement is complete bullshit - you'd be left-clicking.
     
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  3. JRod1969

    JRod1969 Maven (1,266) Nov 23, 2010 New York
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    I don't see why. I'm saying breweries can do whatever they want while they have the beer (whether I agree with it or not).

    Personally, I think HF should only sell Ann to people named Ann, Jimmy to Jimmys and so on. It would be a hilarious exercise to watch unfold. Imagine the next brew they only bottle 100 bottles and call it Joe, but only sell to Joe's with real IDs. You know you'd see ISO Joes in the trade forum. Would be fun.
     
  4. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    What if he's left handed?
     
  5. Trevdawg

    Trevdawg Initiate (0) Feb 9, 2012 New Hampshire

    Maybe i sound a little optimistic when i say this but i believe that people within the craft beer culture are more genuine than others. We know whats right and whats wrong, if we were bad guys we would be drinking PBR all day, not Dark Lords. I view craft beer brewing as an art (because I for one know it is fucking hard to do what they do). I believe that we know better and since we are better people simply because we can recognize something awesome. And i do think that an artist should have a say in whether or not his artwork sells for more down the road. Just because craft beer breweries are the first ones to do it doesn't mean they are wring it just means they will have a harder fight to win. If someone in the art industry steps up and does the same thing that HF and Russian River are doing I would back them too.
     
  6. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Drinking craft beer does not a better person make.
     
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  7. glitchedmind

    glitchedmind Initiate (0) May 8, 2012 California

    he might be using a left handed mouse? :wink:

    *beat by 3 minutes. I should stop typing with only my left hand.
     
  8. JRod1969

    JRod1969 Maven (1,266) Nov 23, 2010 New York
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    Then we don't diagree in princple. I just don't think breweries can change the way the world works. There will always be a secondary market like with everything else as long as supply exceeds demand.
     
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  9. Trevdawg

    Trevdawg Initiate (0) Feb 9, 2012 New Hampshire

    We have different views of what makes a person better :slight_smile:
     
  10. Trevdawg

    Trevdawg Initiate (0) Feb 9, 2012 New Hampshire

    they can try, and if they see progress why not keep trying?
     
  11. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    ...and they shouldn't even try to. They make beer. They should just shutup and do that. If HF spent half the energy they spend screwing around with what the owners of their beer did, perhaps they could make more beer.

    Don't screw with customers. Rule #1 in business. The owners of the beer who trade it are your customers.
     
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  12. travMI13

    travMI13 Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan

    The problem is craft beer crossed over into the masses. It's like when this happens to your favorite band. There is no going back.
     
  13. mwrecording

    mwrecording Crusader (481) Nov 14, 2009 Maryland

    I always assumed, and know of one guy who's ebay email address was also the same as his BA username(he's in the trade forums, never traded with him but he trades the same stuff he sold), that the guys selling whales and big ticket beers on eBay were already guys on Beeradvocate.

    Sorry for the awful sentence.

    I'd imagine there will be a few more FT: big ticket beer threads that we used to not see as much.
     
  14. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    See - here's the problem with your argument. You're advocating for the free market, which is fine, except for the fact that breweries are not allowed to play by the free market. (And legally, neither are you, but I digress.) Breweries have a billion restrictions in place over how they are allowed to sell their beer. Given those restrictions being largely out of their control, I don't find it totally unreasonable to respect their wishes.

    If we had a real free market, then the Ebay market probably wouldn't exist anyway, as everybody would just sell their beer direct through beeradvocate.com.
     
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  15. GabrielM

    GabrielM Initiate (0) Jun 22, 2010 Illinois

    Check mate.
     
  16. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    What if I buy a rare Star Wars figure and flip it 2 days later for 10x what I paid at Target - should Hasbro/Kenner come after me? Did I hurt them?
     
  17. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I don't understand your analogy - Hasbro/Target get to play by the free market in an almost completely unregulated industry.
     
  18. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    The analogy works just fine. I don't believe a brewery is hurt in any way when their beer is traded/ebayed. Bottom line - they sold the beer. Once it's sold, they have no further interest.

    Take the auto industry. Heavily regulated. I can go get a great deal on a 2013 Shelby GT500 and sell it used, titled for $5k more the next day. Won't hurt Ford.
     
  19. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    They have safety regulations, sure, but no regulations around the downstream supply chain. They can produce as much as they want, send it to wherever they want, let it be purchased by anyone they want, etc, etc.

    Do you realize you are completely ignoring one enormous fact? Most breweries don't price their beer to maximize value, particularly with limited releases. If Ford saw you selling your car for $10,000 more the day after you drove it off the lot, they'd raise prices. Breweries don't do that, even though they could, so why should you exploit them?
     
  20. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    The ebay sales are miniscule. If GI put all 12,000 bottles of Rare up there for $175, they would not sell. I've never ebayed beer, I just don't mess with what other people do when it's harmless.

    Ford DOES see the massive GT500 gouging. In fact, in 2006 when the first one came out, dealers paid $40k invoice from Ford them, and sold THOUSANDS for $30k over sticker. Ford did not raise the invoice price to dealers.
     
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