Total Rant From A Chick Who Loves Beer

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Dogtirednj, Aug 27, 2015.

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  1. adamsns6696

    adamsns6696 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2013 Maine

    Oh I hate sexism but I'm going to be sexist and generalize guys as mostly sexist. sick of this namby pamby whiney offended generation of me me me. Welcome to life, Nobody said it was easy, get over it.
     
  2. TheDoctor

    TheDoctor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,484) Mar 7, 2013 Canada (QC)
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    "Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't want the cider? Since you suggested it for me I figured you liked it. Cheers!"
     
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  3. GeoffreyM

    GeoffreyM Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 Pennsylvania

    You must be a cool guy to be around. So edgy.
     
  4. adamsns6696

    adamsns6696 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2013 Maine

    Lets just say what IF this guy really WAS just trying to be helpful? why does everything always have to go to the worst case scenario?

    Can I help you mam? - Sexist
    Im sorry I have to let you go because you cant seem to do your job. - Racist
     
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  5. lordofthemark

    lordofthemark Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2015 Virginia

    Wouldn't one assume that someone who enters a craft beer bar alone is someone who knows something about craft beer? Are there no other bars in the town in question? If you walked into Whole Foods and someone said "This whole natural thing can be overwhelming, most of these brands you won't recognize, let me help" wouldn't you find that really odd?
     
  6. sjccmd

    sjccmd Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2008 Minnesota

    Not making a personal dig or anything, but why is it that since some amount of women aren't as familiar with craft beer we feel it's ok to assume that all women need help when ordering beer. I think we would be a little less comfortable saying "have a beer, relax" if we were talking about, for example, the drinking habits of different races.
     
  7. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    What ever happened to can I buy you a drink? If it was a pick up, and no 1 knows what the guy intended.
     
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  8. adamsns6696

    adamsns6696 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2013 Maine

    Thank you for recognizing that im so edgy and cool. you must be so progressive for being a male agreeing that men are sexist.
     
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  9. Zonk

    Zonk Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2014 New Jersey

    I have definitely started many conversations by recommending something to people (both male and female) by recommending a wine off the list. perhaps its because I'm socially awkward...

    Agreed. But if I talk to someone next to me at a bar and they're a woman, by the same token, they shouldn't assume I'm hitting on them. Especially if its about something I can safely assume we are both interested in (for instance beer at bar). On the way out of a beer bar the other day I recommended a beer to someone even though he clearly knew at least as much about beer as I did. I wasn't hitting on him.
     
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  10. JMS1512

    JMS1512 Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2013 New Jersey

    A neck-beard and a fedora? Wait... those exist in the beer world?
     
  11. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Wasn't there, assume OP's story is accurate. Could certainly be a pick up attempt, but there are certainly enough know it alls around who love to share their knowledge and do it because it makes them feel superior.

    I have seen it happen to others, had it happen to me a couple times. Once by a female bartender in the city who insisted they had so many beers I would probably need some advice and would definitely need a menu (yeah ironic ayy?), when I had only gone to that bar because I saw what they had on beermenus and had my beers all planned out and memorized. She shutup pretty quick and turned nice not snobby to her credit when I gave my order.

    Best though was at Keegan Ales when Tommy Keegan was sitting in front of the bar with us and a guy a couple stools down who didn't recognize him, but hears us talking beer, starts telling us/him, badly, about how the beer is made here, and what to do to improve it. Loved watching Tommy just kindly take it all in.
     
  12. GeoffreyM

    GeoffreyM Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I wouldn't say progressive. Just someone who has respect and listens to what women have to say about men making them uncomfortable. Have a nice day.
     
  13. miketd

    miketd Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2006 Ohio

    Also, when I have a single woman sitting next to me, I automatically know she is going to think I'm hitting on her if I open my yap. That's pretty fudged up to begin with so I usually keep quiet.
     
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  14. Ericness

    Ericness Zealot (646) Nov 21, 2012 Massachusetts

    If his beard was puffed out this might have been an attempt at a mating ritual. My guess is he was either being rude or very awkwardly trying to strike up a conversation. Perhaps good beer bars are the beer geek equivalent of a Comic Con? (I say that as an awkward guy who frequents both types of places.)
     
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  15. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Leeches and bloodletting are seeing a comeback.....actually, leeches are, dang!
     
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  16. elektrikjester

    elektrikjester Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2008 Georgia

    I have, too, but only after I was asked or invited to do so.

    No, I don't believe so. IMHO. They should assume that I'm introducing myself or otherwise starting a conversation. Nothing more.
     
  17. DrinktotheDead

    DrinktotheDead Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2014 Michigan

    Troll bait would explain this. I just would never expect a rant on sexism from a girl who goes by 'chick" its like someone fighting racism with ethical slurs.
     
  18. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I'm not good with people, Nate, but what I've found is that there's one thing that never goes out of fashion:

    Being a good dude (which you are).

    If you're not an asshole, then you don't have to worry about changing temperaments and social attitudes. People who are looking to justify their own deplorable behavior, on the other hand, often find that changing social norms and activism are just over-the-top PC and SJW bullshit.


    / /


    Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some of the people on here? Saying "This one dude was a complete asshole!" is not the same thing as saying every man (or every BA) is sexist. Stop taking things as a personal attack. If you're not a sexist BA, then good! If you're not racist, then good! Hooray! Pat yourself on the back, and then immediately stop pretending that other people aren't or cannot be bigots.

    The "Walk a mile in my shoes" experiment is something several people here clearly cannot conceive of; they have yet to put themselves in the OP's shoes, gender aside, and think about how that approach would come across.

    If you want to argue it wasn't sexist? It was just clueless and uncomfortable? Fine. But now imagine you're at a bar (as a dude, even), and that dude approaches you with the same words, the same attitude. Damn right you're getting offended! Not because you think he's hitting on you, but for the same reason: Whatever his reasoning, he thinks you're a beer simpleton who needs his expert help.

    If you're a woman who deals with this kind of shit every day, it's a very simple step - not some fantastic leap as some of you would like to decry - that that reason is simple, common, every day sexism. It's not always the answer; it's not automatic; but it's the most obvious, simple explanation - and that's often the correct answer.


    Here's a counterpoint, before people start flinging "SJW!" insults around (oh, too late). I'm white, and I grew up in Miami. I was without question a minority in my neighborhood and school. If I got picked on by a larger dude of a different race, was there automatically in my mind a component of racism to his aggression? Of course there was! I'm not the only small dude around, but I was often the only small white dude around.

    So if this woman is approached by this dude, and this is the only person to whom he condescendingly offers his "expertise," why wouldn't it be natural to assume some level of sexism? And again, at best, it was still a total douche move on the part of the guy, sexist or not! None of us would appreciate that kind of deprecating, insulting approach.
     
  19. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Just be polite and leave it at that. She's every bit as smart as you are. Simple manners.
     
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  20. mstrcrwly

    mstrcrwly Pundit (912) Dec 21, 2013 New York
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    Guy was also probably trying to pick you up and was trying to impress you with his beer knowledge..so i echo what most of previous posts say..some guys are assholes..plain and simple..and it's unfortunate that we still live in a sexist society where women only make 70-75% of what men do for the same job..like one of the other posts said. You should have ordered the most exotic beer on the menu and bought him a Coors light..and said Cheers Asshole! I bet the look on his face would have been worth the aggravation
     
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