Single Mash 5 gallon to 4 smaller boils?

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  1. robwestcott

    robwestcott Pooh-Bah (1,767) Nov 3, 2008 Indiana
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    looking at a simple 5 gallon SMaSH saison recipe and curious to know if there's any reason I can't mash as usual and then split the resulting wort into 4x small stovetop kettles that then proceed as separate small batches with different hops ? also, any reason not to split the typical yeast starter between the small batches ?
     
  2. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    It'll fly but:
    1. it's a lot of work
    2. you're likely to get less finished beer due to racking from 4 separate fermentors instead of 1.
     
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  3. aobrehm

    aobrehm Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2015 Oregon

    I would absolutely do that as long as you have appropriately sized vessels to ferment in. You wouldn't want to ferment a 1.25 gallon batch in a 5 gallon bucket because of all of the headspace... but if you have a few 2 gallon jugs (or something similar), I think this would be a killer experiment.

    Regarding the starter, just do your best to pour equal amounts of yeast into each vessel. This is harder to do than it sounds because each layer (trub, krausen, etc) has different concentrations of viable yeast cells. Make sure it is good and mixed up before pouring equal volumes of slurry into each vessel.

    Sounds like a great experiment! Keep us posted on your findings.
     
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  4. Cadmando18

    Cadmando18 Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2015 Oregon

    To add to what @mugs1789 stated, it does work and is great for experimenting with hop profiles, but it's so much work and there are 4 chances now of getting something wrong. Also smaller batches will react differently so be careful and understand scaling up and how much faster things work in smaller batches.

    But I'm sure you got this. Have fun with it and let us know how it goes!!
     
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  5. robwestcott

    robwestcott Pooh-Bah (1,767) Nov 3, 2008 Indiana
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    thanks folks - appreciate the input - extra work and lower eventual yield are both definitely a given - the goal for me is to get a relatively clear bead on 4x different French hops for use in saisons in the coming several months. looking at Aramis, Triskel, Bouclier, and Strisselspalt.

    cheers !
     
  6. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Triskel and Strisselspalt ?

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  7. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    One other variable to keep in mind is your boil off rate. 4x the boiling will result in 4x the boil off, assuming the same kettle is used for all 4. If you're using smaller kettles, you'll boil off less than 4x, but you also may end up with a stronger boil than usual.
     
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  8. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Recommend that he gets a gallon or two of RO or distilled water that he can add back during the boil if he sees he is getting too much boil off.
     
  9. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Are you testing for bittering qualities, flavor, or aromatics? If predominantly aromatics, I'd boil the wort together with a neutral bittering hop, split it into 4 different fermenters and dry hop with the different hops in said fermenters.
     
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  10. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    How are you going to package the beers? Bottling buckets seem to end up with more than a couple ounces in the bottom. That doesn't matter for a 5 gallon batch, but could be really painful for four 1 gallon batches. One of my worst bottling days was when I had to package 5 gallons of RIS that I split 4 ways (bourbon, coffee, oak, plain). Even when I did not care about a little bit of mixing so I did not clean the bottling bucket after each batch, it was still a huge pain to rack such small amounts to the bottling bucket. It felt like Groundhog day, I just kept doing the same shit over and over :slight_smile:

    Based on experiments with different yeasts in the same beer, the smallest batch I would be willing to bottle would be in the 2.5 - 3 gallon range.
     
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  11. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I am going to disagree with this statement. Until recently I always brewed 3, 3 1/2 gallon batches and fermented in a 7+ gallon speidel fermenter (it's a 30L to be exact), and never had any problems with headspace. If it's being racked in a secondary the headspace would be an issue.
     
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  12. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    ^^^ This. I just made two IPAs from one wort. I added a couple quarts of distilled water to each batch to account for the greater loss of volume from doing two boils instead of just one. Going 4 ways, you might need to add an entire gallon of distilled to each batch! Trust me though, this will work out great in the end.
     
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