Trip logs for Outside the PNW

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  1. TheeWalrusHunter

    TheeWalrusHunter Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2013 Oregon

    Yes. Yes it is.

    If you ever see toasted coconut porter at tap anywhere. buy it. Rumor is they are packaging it for distro, but kegs have made its way around PDX frequently.
     
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  2. ExVashonGujy

    ExVashonGujy Pooh-Bah (2,114) Mar 7, 2013 Washington
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    I'm not saying Caldera has made it into the elite category of breweries, but their stuff is pretty good, at a minimum, and their draft-only, brewery-only beers are wide ranging and impressive. Their best is really good. In Washington terms, they remind me a bit of Old Schoolhouse ... both are in lovely towns, well outside the metropolitan areas and a bit hard to get too, but making consistently fine beers (and both make excellent Imperial Stouts). Either one is worth a stop if you're in the area, and worth going a bit out of your way. Caldera (with their 40 beers on offer) is of course much larger than Old Schoolhouse, but I think the quality level is about the same. And while Caldera's beer isn't at the level of Fremont or Black Raven, for example, I have to say it's really nice to have both a wide selection of fine beers and excellent food, in a spacious setting. I haven't been to any brewery in our state that offers both food and beer at that level.
     
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  3. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Given the quality of their canned stuff (Caldera), I think it's easy to dismiss them as at best a middle of the road brewery. However, visiting the brewery is a revelation. They make a wide range of interesting stuff, and I know I was particulary impressed by some of the barrel aged beers I tried. For some reason, they don't seem to be able to make a really good IPA/DIPA, and I suspect that might color people's impression of their beer as well, here in the IPA-centric NW.

    Frankly, if there is just one brewery that you can visit in the Medford/Ashland/Jacksonville area, I think Caldera would have to be it. My work requires me to periodically travel down to Medford (talk about an armpit when it comes to beer selection), and so far the Caldera pub is the only place I've found where you can consistently find good beer (and better than average food as well).

    I'll also second what TheeWalrushunter said about the toasted coconut porter (tasty, well crafted beer with a reasonable ABV). Last time I was down there (3 for 4 weeks ago now), I was told they are in the process of brewing an imperial version of it as well. Can't wait!!!
     
  4. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    I'll add to the Toasted Coconut Chocolate Porter love, and mention that I recently had a Mosaic IPA that was significantly better than their canned hoppy stuff. They did not put their best foot forward with their distributed cans, so I too wrote them off when I lived in WA, but the draft stuff I've had access to in OR is better.
     
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  5. derftron

    derftron Pooh-Bah (1,663) Feb 8, 2012 Oregon
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    I will echo what others have said. Thier distribution beers are good but not great. However I really like Mogli (barrel aged porter with Chocolate) and the toasted coconut porter is really good. Every time I have a one-off keg at a festival or event, its always suprisingly good. This is also similar to the Widmer experience. I never ever ever buy Widmer beers, but their Gasthaus offers some really cool beer from time to time ranging from Barrell aged sours to random Meads.
     
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  6. dirtylou

    dirtylou Grand Pooh-Bah (3,352) May 12, 2005 Oklahoma
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    Caldera IPA cans have always been welcome at my campsite.
     
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  7. distantmantra

    distantmantra Pooh-Bah (2,954) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    Mogli is fantastic. I always forget that it's Caldera.
     
  8. ExVashonGujy

    ExVashonGujy Pooh-Bah (2,114) Mar 7, 2013 Washington
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    At the brewery, they had a Barrel Aged Mogli on tap. That's right, they are taking a beer that already had some barrel aging, and putting it through another barrel aging cycle. The result was more bourbon, and less sweet than the regular Mogli you get in bottles. I loved it. Just an example of what you get when you make it to Ashland.
     
  9. TheeWalrusHunter

    TheeWalrusHunter Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2013 Oregon

    Mogli was a bit disappointing to me when I first had it. But I had Double Barrel Mogli at the brewery and it was fantastic. (the original is just bourbon chips, not actually in barrels)


    Back to the point of the thread. I visited Vancouver a while ago and just got back from NYC. These are my thoughts.

    Vancouver/BC:

    If you live close and have the means, go visit Vancouver right now. I don't know if anyone has told you, but Canada is having a 20% off sale. We didn't make it to Victoria or any of the islands and spent most of our time in around down town. In addition to beautiful hiking, good food, weird Canadian comedy and nice parks - we drank some beer.

    • Alibi Room: Classic I know. Very nice establishment - the best tap list we saw all trip. One recommendation would be to sit at a table and not at one of the random counters that are situated around the place. It was super cramped. The downstairs was very cool. I had a peche mortel (because I had to), and also a Fat Tug IPA by driftwood. Both were great - no complaints. Also had a Flanders Red by Storm Brewing that took my surprise with how good it was.
    • Brassneck:This is a nice little brewery that was packed when we were there. Friendly people. The beer was ok, I would akin it to something like lompoc, or some of Laurelwood's average beers. I would recommend it though. Seemed like the "hip place"
      • Side note: One thing I noticed is that their IPAs flavor profile hits hard at the bitterness. Totally San Diego Style. It caught me off guard as Seattle and Portland have a very different take. They were refreshing though.
    • Four Winds: Easily the best beer I have had. Totally caught me off guard for how good it was. It really reminded me of the Commons as their focus was on table beers from the old country. Extremely well done Pilsner, excellent grissette, and great Imperial and regular ale offerings. It's a bit in the middle of nowhere (Delta, BC). Worth it though. Loved the vibe.
    Vancouver is a great city with quite a bit to do, beer was good. For some reason, I left feeling a bit underwhelmed, but my wife tried to convince me to move there on the way home - so I give it a 5 out of 7 starts.


    New York City aka The Big Apple aka Most Expensive Ass Beer aka How The Hell Do I Get Around aka Beer Menu Paradise:

    So here's the thing (I'm sure many have visited), NYC is an animal, a very wild animal. You cannot tame the animal - you work within its rules and then it destroys you when you forget the rules.

    So tips ( I will break down these tips subsequently:
    • Stay mostly in your neighborhood and live with the taps that get put on
    • Use Beer Menus dot com
    • Go To Proletariat
    • Good luck to your wallet

    There is "good beer bars" everywhere. Not Great ones, but good ones. If you go to the Mid Atlantic Forum and ask about where to go they send you to this forum. At first I thought this was a shitty way to do things. Why the fuck would you list every damn place that sells beer in the whole damn 5-burrough city. When you come to PDX or Seattle, you get the top 10 Beer bars that are all unique in their own way. You go to them. You drink great local beer. You leave. Not in NYC. After trying to get around to all the "best places, I realized that I was going from one side of the city to the next chasing down beer - and the tap lists were fairly identical. This was a problem. I guess if you are staying in a neighborhood, you live within your 10 block radius, because it is so damn expensive and time consuming to do anything else.

    Definitely use Beer Menus. Beer Menus is rarely if at all used out here, but places in NYC live and die by the beer menus. This can be really nice but also suck very badly. For example, you can create an account on beer menus and have the system update anytime a beer that you "follow" is put on near your assigned location. That is a really cool feature. However, twice I experienced that bars put on Maine Lunch and I was notified. I rushed over to those places, and Main Lunch was not on tap at all. I am not sure if the keg kicks that fast or bars do that as a ploy to bring in customers who then say fuck it and drink something else.

    The best experience by far was a bar in East Village called Proletariat, It is a small 20-seater bar with a rad vibe the most unique tap list i had seen. Awesome beer, very friendly. I had a Elgood's Coolship #1 which blew me away. Never heard of it? Me either. Also had a Grimm Forcefield "Vermont Style" IPA. it was also good.

    A few notes on local breweries:
    • Grimm: Contract brewer out of Brooklyn. Seems like most of their stuff is made at Westbrook or somewhere else. Contract breweries are weird. I don't like them. They made decent beer. So fucking expensive though (I Guess rightfully when you pay someone else to brew your beer for you).
    • Other Half: The darling of New York. Focus is almost completely on IPAs. They are great IPAs. Their brewery in Brooklyn is cool and reminded me a bit of Cellar Maker or old Ruebens. Small space, the guys seemed a bit rude, but no matter - I am in New York. Citra IPA, Nelson IPA, All Green Everything, and G is for Green were all very good IPAs. I brought back 2 four packs of Citra for the bargain price of $16/4 pack. Fuck me.
    Other places that were cool:
    • Torst: Evil Twin owns this place, Very similar to Mikkeler bar in SF, which is weird. The bartender was nice but was telling a group next to me that Evil Twin (Jeppe Jarnit-Bjergsø) was a top 5 brewer in the world. That made me laugh. (He is a recipe maker, not exactly a brewer and his shit is mediocre. Stepping off pedestal now). Beer selection was great and expensive. cool vibe. Very friendly.
    • Dirck The Norseman: Sausage place in Williamsburg with good German focused tap list
    • Pony Bar: Average Beer bar in Hell's Kitchen. large selection, but nothing too special.
    • Brooklyn Bowl: I liked it. Cool vibe, very unique, ok tap list, but worth the experience.
    Other observations: Good beer is not everywhere. Green Flash could be found most places. There was also a lack of bottle shops in the way that I understand them, but it seemed that many tap rooms had bottles to go.

    Last thing that you probably know. Beer is expensive. $8/12 oz is expected. I didn't see anything under 6. I could never live in this city. Again, another win for the PNW. Super thankful I live here.
     
  10. ballardbeer

    ballardbeer Pundit (779) Nov 10, 2013 Oregon

    my favorite bar in the world. awesome trip report!
     
  11. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Great report. As for cost of beer (and living overall) in NYC, it's important to remember that per capita income is much higher too. In New York County, per capita income is $111,000. Compare that to Seattle ($42,000) or Portland ($31,000).

    Do people still get priced out of places like New York or San Francisco? Of course. But taking your Oregon money to New York, you're inevitably going to feel some sticker shock. Just like my wife, fresh off the boat out of rural Indiana, almost shat her pants when our first house (1998) cost more than $200,000. You could (and still can) get a mansion (or at least a McMansion) in the Midwest for that.
     
  12. ballardbeer

    ballardbeer Pundit (779) Nov 10, 2013 Oregon

    Quick log from my Minneapolis trip over the weekend.
    • Surly: Nice stop, similar to Stone's massive taproom/restaurant/circus in Escondido. Furious, Todd The Axe Man, and cocao bender were our favorite drafts of the day. Good place for large groups.
    • Indeed: Favorite brewery we visited. Day Tripper, wooden soul #1, and wooden soul #3 were all crowd favorites. Hell, the Day Tripper on cask I had was the quintessential pale ale. I'll dream of that beer for some time.
    • Bauhaus: Oh man, send somebody from Bon Appetit (or any other trendy magazine) to this place ASAP; this is the most gorgeous tap room and brewery space I've ever seen. Their offerings seem to lean German-style, and the Wagon Party I ordered (west coast-style lager, whatever that means!) was a gem. Coupled with a huge space, picnic tables, food trucks, and games, this place turns beer into a circus in the best way possible.
    • Dangerous Man: Great beer. Another hip space, was busy but not unruly. Had an excellent single-hopped beer (green bullet IPA) and a nice belgian table. Awesome logo, too.
    Also made stops at Fulton's and Insight, but nothing really to report at either of those locations. Was impressed with the city keeping there taps local, and can't wait for another excuse to visit this city.
     
  13. lauran24

    lauran24 Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2012 Arizona

    Hubby and I do a lot of beer cations. The last one we did last month was Cali with our 'Scottsdale Beer Club'. We were camping at Dana Point, so they tended to stay close by. We were shopping for a Hobie Kayak, so we spent a few days in San Diego, which were the best.

    We are from AZ and we tend to practice 'respect every brewer' there's a couple here in AZ that i would never mention, but would not go back to drink their beer. But we feel that every brewer is an artist and deserves to make a decent living and therefore we will support as many as we can. Yes, there are some that are just not that good, but every one deserves to live their artistic dream, therefore I will only mention the breweries we liked in Cali.

    I'll also caveat that we always bring beer with us to share with the local breweries we visit as we feel that it's important to share the wealth and give others drinks they may not be able to get.

    We started off from AZ and hit Alpine first. VERY surprised at the reaction of Alpine. Irish Bobby is awesome! He totally talked to us about the beers, what they were planning, etc. Yes, we gave him a growler of AZ Wilderness but he seemed excited to talk to anyone about the beer. We only went to the growler fill station, but the talk was awesome, highly recommend seeking him out and chatting about their releases.

    Ballast Point was next and it was a huge location in a business district. They too were awesome to talk to, they offered us a tour, but we were on a schedule with the club so it didn't work out. Great patio, excellent service.

    Next was AleSmith. Really, can i say any more? Excellent beer, huge open air space that was packed, but when they learned we were out of state, they came over an talked to us. Great warming reception, we brought several bottles with us.

    On to Stone, can't rave enough about their beautiful gardens. That alone is worth the visit if you have never been there before. Service, so so, but worth a visit.

    Then to Mother Earth. Fantastic brews! wow, if you have never gone to this small town but awesome brewery site, take the time to visit. Yes, it was crowded, but we went on a Friday night. The place is huge. The brews are fantastic, very earthy homey feeling, open air brewery. A definite must.

    Another day.....on to Societe. Really, one of the best in the country, very surprised it wasn't mentioned here. A very much must visit when going to San diego. They are clearly one of the best in the country with solid brews and fantastic service. We spent several hours here talking with them regarding their brews and it was the most enjoyable afternoon. Huge space, long bar, but plenty of space for everyone. If you didn't figure it out before GO VISIT!!!!!! And if anyone wants to bring me a Pupil, I'm here :0)

    Also hit several bottle shops. Since we were driving (why we were able to give away 9 growlers to Cali brewers) we took many bottle cases home.....not complaining.

    Hit Bagby in Oceanside. That was a definite surprise. Very decent brewery with good brews and again, very accommodating and talkative staff. i love talking to the brewers to get their take on the market and what's coming up. It is a huge place with patios, great for parties, my fave was the Dinkus.

    Breakwater was blocks away. Not gonna lie I'm not a mead fan but their Rabiscus was very good. Their DMJ IPA was also very good, nice citrus tones and piney taste.

    Those were the ones worth talking about.

    We are on our way to Portland in 5 days with some great hook ups and can't wait to taste the beers you guys get every day! Thanks for all of your info.
     
  14. Strangestbrewer

    Strangestbrewer Crusader (477) Oct 17, 2014 Oregon

    As summer draws to a close I have to say... this got used a lot less than I expected it to get used.
     
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    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Maybe we all stayed home all summer?
     
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  16. Strangestbrewer

    Strangestbrewer Crusader (477) Oct 17, 2014 Oregon

    Too hot to move around much?
     
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  17. chinochino

    chinochino Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2013 Washington

    Yeah........why leave???
     
  18. Spaceloaf

    Spaceloaf Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2008 Oregon

    NW Summer is clearly the best time to be here. The weather is awesome, the outdoors are beautiful, and there's tons of events happening every day. Now once winter rolls around, then I get interested in travel....
     
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  19. distantmantra

    distantmantra Pooh-Bah (2,954) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    I still need to write up my Spain, Belgium and Netherlands trip from June/July.
     
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  20. dirtylou

    dirtylou Grand Pooh-Bah (3,352) May 12, 2005 Oklahoma
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    Just lazy...

    Prague, Budapest, SF, Chicago, Madison, Austin, Charlotte and Denver (next week) is my out of region wailing for the summer
     
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