Chalkiness and soap in IPAs

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  1. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    IPAs are still my favorite style and I love or at least like almost every one I've ever had, but one thing I've noticed is that lot of them have notes of chalk or soap that I find unpleasant. Chalkiness specifically I dislike. Soapiness usually doesn't bother me that much, I suppose. It presents itself as an unpleasantly sharp and earthy drying near the finish, but before the desired hoppy dry aftertaste. Saranac IPA in particularly is very chalky. Is this an off flavor? Does anyone know what causes it?
     
  2. Spiral517

    Spiral517 Zealot (687) Sep 17, 2013 Maryland

    Don't have any helpful information about what causes it but I have noticed it too occasionally. Got a soapy aftertaste with fresh squeezed.
     
  3. Raime

    Raime Pooh-Bah (1,935) Jun 4, 2012 North Korea
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    Better than onions at least.
     
  4. ncusatis

    ncusatis Crusader (483) Dec 22, 2014 Wisconsin
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    My girlfriend thinks every beer tastes like soap. I agree with her like 5% of the time. But anywho, I think that flavor comes from the hops. I notice that if you take a few more swigs of the same beer, that soap taste fades.
     
  5. SLewis

    SLewis Pundit (901) Jun 17, 2014 North Carolina

    A lot of my friends think Bell's Two-Hearted tastes like soap.
    I'm sure it's the floral character of the centennial hops that they are tasting.
     
  6. KingforaDay

    KingforaDay Pooh-Bah (2,445) Aug 5, 2010 New Jersey
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    Have you tried rinsing your glasses better after washing them?
     
  7. Satchboogie

    Satchboogie Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Belgium
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    Soap is a legitimate off-flavor. I've definitely noticed it before in IPAs and other styles. I don't know a ton about the different ways it can develop, but I know John Palmer has mentioned it can happen with the breakdown of fatty acids if it the beer sits on the trub too long. There are surly other ways it can happen. Smuttynose Finest Kind used to be a beer that would sometimes have a soapiness quality to it (not always). I haven't experienced that since they moved into the new brewing facility though (but I also don't like the changes they made to Finest Kind, but that's a different discussion!).
     
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  8. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Could be the brewer is adding salt additions to lower the ph and increase the sulfate, which dries the beer out for a more dry clean bitterness.
     
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  9. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    floral hops = soap = floral fragrance found in most scented soaps
     
  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    This is one way the OP may be getting what he tastes. Another is to much alkalinity in the water, not enough acid to neutralize it. Several new small breweries I visited recently in one area had this in the lighter beers they brewed.
     
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  11. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    I have had this problem before, but the chalky taste seems to a common phenomenon. Saranac IPA is the worst culprit of it, but it's very noticeable in Dale's Pale Ale as well.
     
  12. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    That sounds like a reasonable explanation.
     
  13. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    The last time I had Brooklyn's Sorachi Ace, it tasted very odd. Chalky was the association I was making, but I could easily be making the wrong flavor connections in my head. I wondered if it was due to the hops used. Maybe a few weeks later, I grabbed a Brooklyn 1/2 Ale, and I got the same thing. 1/2 Ale also uses Sorachi Ace hops (among others), so that could be the culprit, but I was beginning to think that it might have had something to do with their house Belgian yeast strain. Once again, not sure if "chalky" was the best descriptor, but it's the impression I had. Regardless, I did not enjoy either beer.

    I've gotten overwhelming soap in a local brewpub's blonde ale. I took at as an unintended brewing issue that the beer couldn't hide, but I actually enjoyed the beer (I like soapy candy).
     
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