Did Yuengling just pull a Budweiser?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Pisthetaerus, Sep 17, 2015.

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  1. Pisthetaerus

    Pisthetaerus Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Connecticut

    Nope. This is where context comes in. It's an important part of reading comprehension. I've asked the question of the difference between the ads multiple times in this thread within the context of the greater response to the ads, not in regards to your particular feelings about them.
     
  2. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Whatever, dude. You keep throwing out those weak insults. Maybe you should apply your own reading comprehension skills to your own posts.
     
  3. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    As a small brewery worker who has done damn near everything a brewery worker can do. The part I as offended by in the beer sniffer ad was that our work making beer for people who might actually want to look at the glass and go Michael Jackson on it was dismissed as "easy" and that being creative was something to make fun of.
    Beyond that. I loved the commercial cos that footage of beer sniffers and text about funny creative beer was a blessing if you get that the commercial was in no way saying what it was advertising was actually a superior choice. It re-presents their beer as a choice for people who don't want to think about choice, and aren't interested in creativity. It could've been even funnier and more 'offensive' in calling out how long it takes the kind of people who sniff their beer to make up their mind at the liquor store. I'm fine with that, cos I can take the joke because what it also does is draw a very clear line about who is welcome to join, and who is asked to leave.
    Then I remember my days as a smoker and when I was into Pall Mall straights for that brief moment and what text they included on the packet. "Wherever particular people congregate."
     
  4. ravenwork

    ravenwork Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2015 Pennsylvania

    The ad is simple, not really pretentious, and I don't think the ad really goes to the anti-craft side of the fence. Yuengling has a right to be proud of their product. Yes, it is corn-based, and somewhat sweet, but it is also a very drinkable and refreshing lager. Their recent success is based on that beer, and it has been significant success in terms of business and customer growth.

    I, for one, just don't mind that Yuengling is "technically" in the craft brewing club. Are they actually craft brewers? Probably not, but they are within smelling distance.

    If I had to choose between a Bud and Lager, it would be the Lager every time.
     
  5. CB_Michigan

    CB_Michigan Pooh-Bah (1,552) Sep 4, 2014 Illinois
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    But that's not what AB did, was it? If they'd done that, maybe people wouldn't have made a fuss about it. Context matters. Tone and presentation can be as important as the underlying message. What you're basically arguing is akin to saying that a person's reaction to every movie version of Romeo and Juliet should be the same because they all use the same words, but there's a world of difference between what Zeffirelli and Baz Luhrmann did. A person can easily enjoy one version while disliking the other. That seems to be what's going on with these ads.
     
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  6. cevafm

    cevafm Initiate (0) Mar 30, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Yuengling Summer Wheat is a better beer then any beer AB brews. It is a real craft beer. AB itself (not InBev) has no real craft beers since they killed all the good Michelob lines and American Ale.

    Case closed.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And getting closer all the time. The Yuengling Summer Wheat is a craft beer IMO.

    In a few months they will be producing an IPL (which I think will be called Winter Lager) and that will be a craft beer as well.

    You can buy their Oktoberfest now; I am conflicted whether the term of craft beer should be applied to this particular beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. UrbanCaveman

    UrbanCaveman Pooh-Bah (1,866) Sep 30, 2014 Ohio
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    Active insults, versus passive "this is what we are not". Therein lies the difference.

    "We brew the hard way" versus "we're not private reserve stuff".

    "Let them drink their peach whatever ale" versus "we're just about simple lager, yo".

    One actively denigrates other products, the other simply states what they are and are not going for with their own product. If one can't see a distinct difference - not a subtlety, not a nuance, but a different message and presentation entirely - then there's a perception issue.
     
  9. JLaw55

    JLaw55 Pooh-Bah (2,417) Jul 10, 2014 Missouri
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    I concur, I mean I almost had to laugh at the OP. Offended??? By what?!?! That is one hell of a reach to say that this ad is even mildly similar to AB's Super Bowl Ad.

    I think it's time to learn to relax, starting to look silly here.
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You nailed it with this post.

    A gold star for you!!

    Cheers!
     
  11. JLaw55

    JLaw55 Pooh-Bah (2,417) Jul 10, 2014 Missouri
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    Not to mention that being America's Oldest Brewery is a pretty awesome distinction. I would wear that with pride as well.
     
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  12. cevafm

    cevafm Initiate (0) Mar 30, 2008 Pennsylvania

    But it's not North America's oldest brewery. Molson has that claim, brewing in Montreal since 1786 to the present. However they stopped being 100% family owned in 1945 when they began to sell stock.

    I do enjoy Molson Export greatly when I can get my hands on it, and still occasionally buy cases of Molson Golden.

    My preferred Canadian beer of choice remains Moosehead.
     
  13. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    This is one of those 'first world' problems IMO. Advertising is simply an attempt at mind control. There have been books, studies, college courses, etc. that prove this point. My personal rule of thumb is not to believe ANYTHING contained in an advertisement, print, radio or tv since most of the time the information presented is not entirely true. I'm not saying that it's lies, but facts can be presented in a way that even the most specious statement is taken as fact. I also refuse to buy any product or service that is advertised constantly to the point of being annoying such as Geico & Capital One. Why? The money from advertising has to come from somewhere and more likely than not it comes from the quality of the product or service. It sure doesn't come from profit and it sure doesn't come from higher rates.
     
  14. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    For me, even more impressive is that the same family that founded the brewery still owns and runs the brewery.
     
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  15. charlzm

    charlzm Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2007 California

    The text of the ad I just saw at the link:
    "American-owned, family-operated, five-generation, fiercely-focused on one thing; putting the best beer on the bar. Yuengling. America's oldest brewery."

    Clearly, the OP's link now leads somewhere else.

    Oh, found the ad everyone's talking about. It's titled "Standard Beer".

    Meh. Who cares? It plays to the people it's supposed to play to.
     
  16. Pisthetaerus

    Pisthetaerus Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Connecticut

    Probably the best post thus far. But I think a subtle distinction needs to made: AB lampooned people through the lens of the product that they choose to buy. Many people here, on reddit, and in the comments section of other beer sites were every bit as insulted by the way the product was characterized as they were by the way that craft beer consumers were characterized.

    Pretty sure that's in the OP, right under the link in fact.
     
  17. DrDemento456

    DrDemento456 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,439) May 15, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think it would have only been a stab at Bud if it would have said "Not Beechwood Aged"

    Beechwood BLECH
     
  18. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    But nothing in the Yuengling ad really makes fun of the craft product. It simply says that Yuengling is not "limited", but still makes a point to use a play on words noting that in spite of not being those things, it's still a special beer (calling it a "rare breed"). This is where context becomes important and I think you are really glossing over some key cues in the Bud ad that simply weren't present in the Yuengling ad.

    In an attempt to simplify it, I'm going to compare the Cliff's Notes version of each ad's message:

    Bud: "craft beer is stupid because X, and we aren't X--we're Y"

    Yuengling: "we aren't X, we're Y"

    The latter accepts that even though Yuengling might not themselves be X, there is also nothing inherently wrong with X. They understand that X and Y can both be valid interests--that interest in their product doesn't depend on creating an US vs. THEM mentality in consumers. They implicitly recognize that even though they brew a simple beer, that if you want to "fuss" over the beer, then knock yourself out. Really, the entire ad is a play on the old "classic never goes out of style" idiom more than anything else.

    I'm not sure how much clearer the difference can be made. I mean, the ads are similar the same way an apple and an orange are both fruit.
     
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  19. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    A standard beer that is a rare breed....I am confused.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Ah, they aren't trying to sell a beer to you!!:stuck_out_tongue:

    Cheers!
     
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