Winter Hop Growing Op.

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Rcazneaux, Oct 7, 2015.

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Will it work?

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  2. No

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  1. Rcazneaux

    Rcazneaux Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2015 North Carolina

    People tend to speculate on whether or not you can grow hops out of season. Some say they need a dormant period and some say its impossible to get them the light they need. I'm tired of speculation so I'm just going to do my own experiment and see for myself what hops will do in a small pot, on a windowsill throughout the winter.

    I'd love to get some feed back and for you all to follow along with my experiment.

    Cheers!
     
  2. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    Well what is winter like in CA because i think if i tried that in NJ in the winter wouldnt work.
     
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  3. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    If you're not doing this in an artifical light, climate controlled setting, I don't know what difference you're expecting from the dormant hops getting the same amount of light in the field? Assuming you're successful, a hop plant even in it's first year should grow taller than your average residential window height, and I think stunting its height would affect cone production.

    If there was a cost effective way to harvest more than once per year, I can't imagine Yakima/Willamette Valley hop growers would sit on it with more craft breweries creating more demand.

    That said, it's cool to experiment and I'm interested in hearing updates!
     
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  4. scottbrew4u

    scottbrew4u Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2005 Pennsylvania

    The bigger the pot the better. Get a bare root rhizome and start it indoors in soil with good drainage and let us know how it works.
     
  5. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Do more research on hops. It might grow, but not set cones. Hops grow up until the solstice, then they stop and set the cones. Harvest is then late August to the end of Sept.

    With grow lights you could fool the hops.
     
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  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    You may fool the plant, but not the roots. My second year plants have a 2 foot wide crown and roots that I have found 8 feet away from the main plant. Not sure how you are gonna overcome that issue.
     
  7. Rcazneaux

    Rcazneaux Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2015 North Carolina

    Ok sorry for not laying down the parameters of the experiment. I just moved to North Carolina from California and had to leave my plants behind. The purpose of doing this is for entertainment and to get a jumpstart on the growing process by transplanting to ground in the spring. I'm not trying to produce cones inside.

    -Rhizome trimmed from mature Golden hop plant
    -Placed in small 1/2 gallon planting pot w/ good drainage/ composted soil
    -Windowsill is WSW facing and gets sun most of the day
    -Taotronics 12watt red/blue LED used for supplemental lighting

    I believe that even in a small pot the roots will grow a considerable amount but maybe just clump up. Root structure seems to be the most important part to having a healthy plant. With the jump-stared root system the plant will be able to grow larger faster than a rhizome planted in spring and have a higher yield come harvest time (assuming the plant doesn't get confused). Root expansion I'm hoping will happen naturally once in the ground.

    Let me know if you guys have any more questions or concerns. Also I'd like to know how you guys post pictures so I can show you whats going on. I haven't found a convenient way yet.
     
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  8. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon

    Upload them to Imgur.com, copy the url, and paste it into the comment box.
     
  9. Rcazneaux

    Rcazneaux Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2015 North Carolina

    First growth (10/4/2015)

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  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    If you doing a start indoors that is fine. NC might have other issues in the climate and shorter days. You will be able to grow hops, but the yield will be lower.
     
  11. tylerstravis

    tylerstravis Pooh-Bah (2,487) Feb 14, 2014 Colorado
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    Is anyone trying hydroponic hops?
     
  12. Rcazneaux

    Rcazneaux Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2015 North Carolina

    There was something that I read about that not working very well. Though I found wild hops growing in a river (roots completely submerged) in my home town so my guess is that it could be done. Do an experiment!
     
  13. didgeboy

    didgeboy Initiate (0) Jun 24, 2006 Washington

    On a small scale anything can work assuming the conditions are favorable, warmth, light, water, etc. But doing it on a commercial scale and then making it profitable is a whole different ball game. Let us know how it goes.
     
  14. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    I moved from California and had to leave my plants behind made me chuckle a little.
     
  15. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    OP, did your rhizomes go thru a dormant period? I'd think that the only way to get growth from a new planting is to fool the rhizomes with a dormant period, preferably by putting them in a freezer (or some kind of dry cold storage) for a period of time so that they think winter has come and gone. Then you probably have to fool them with your artificial lighting to mimic a solstice like @hopfenunmaltz said above.
     
  16. Rcazneaux

    Rcazneaux Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2015 North Carolina

    It made me cry a bit
     
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  17. Rcazneaux

    Rcazneaux Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2015 North Carolina

    No they did not go through any sort of dormant period. I snipped them off a plant a few weeks ago and stuck them in the ground. I'm getting growth though! Check it out! (10/9/2015)
    [​IMG]
     
  18. distantmantra

    distantmantra Pooh-Bah (2,954) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    I think you'll be fine until the temperature really starts to drop. Here in Seattle my hops are finally forming cones at the moment. Once a frost hits (which it probably will, even in NC) any of your growth above ground will take a huge hit. The root system in the soil should be fine, though.
     
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  19. HoppedChef84

    HoppedChef84 Initiate (0) Mar 13, 2015 Rhode Island

    buy a 1000 watt mh/hps setup, get in your garage with supplemental heat, a 10 ft trellis from floor to ceiling, and grow it just like you would ganja. that would probably be the most successful route. otherwise, you will probably be left with a nice houseplant that just hangs out like the spider plant jammed in the corner.
     
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  20. Kwak

    Kwak Initiate (0) Nov 1, 2002 New Jersey

    i grow hops and they need a rest period
    maybe if you have a green house but then they will not grow in the summer
     
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