Beer Trading...Post Only or Replies?

A few of those people were probably too green to know what their threads would create. The others, from what I've seen, have been trying to maximize value.

 

i'd be first in line to agree with them. my posts have been circling the drain for years.

possibly, but it COULD be a coincidence (correlation is not causation). one thing i noticed is that around the time that replies were forbidden, the site received a HUGE influx of new members / traders that resulted in massive trade value inflation. it was pretty sudden, and a lot of old-timers didn't like it. even with replies coming back, there is some irreversible motion in the direction of trade values that may still keep people unhappy and not trading.

 

I'm not sold on that (it seems anecdotally true, though), but it's actually possible that switching to post-only facilitated that trend in a big way. It'll be interesting to see if it keeps up or reverts back a bit now that people can (and are) pushing back against it.

 

it may be more complicated: i think the impetus was the sudden inflation of trade value, which led to enhanced threadshitting, which broke the bros' patience and resulted in post-only, which may have had a positive feedback loop on more n00bs getting fearless.

just the same, once 12,000 bottle distributed releases started vanishing from shelves immediately, things were never going to be the same, post-only or no. the old trading days are never coming back. and for what it's worth, in my time on this site, people have ALWAYS complained about the " state of the trading forums. "

 

Quite plausible. I still think it'll be interesting to see what happens going forward.

Of course. Kids these days!

 

I'm personally for the Replies as i'm a new trader and it makes it easier for me to see what a beer is actually trading for.

If you feel people are bumping threads and you are sick of seeing the same old threads then why don't you click on the "Start Date" to sort it so you see on the the newest posts?

 

I'm kind of mad at myself for agreeing with you haha.

The "good ole days" and trading days of old are over. But, its been trending this way for years. I'm sure the guys who were trading back 10 years ago feel things already changed a few years back. Someone newer like me sees it happening now though. It seems every nee release is a whale to the people with access to it. But, we have no one to blame but ourselves as a beer consuming and trading community.

 

I preferred the 'post only' format over this. The thread 'bumping' will soon become a norm again as well as everyone dropping in their 2 cents on whether or not a trade will get done. Might as well nix it before it gets back to the way it was in the on the old site.

 

Yes, yes they did. I found a forum post from 2006 on another beer site that was lamenting the death of the 'old ways' of the internet beer community. It's always dying/being reborn.

 

Well with the way things are right now, I prefer no replies. I know that I can set it so that threads are in the order created, but the Bros need to set it as the default for the ISO/FT forum. If they'd just switch it, then I'd vote differently. People could have their discussions and they could eventually add moderators to take care of the threadshitting.

 

I'm sure it's been a steady progression. Honestly the best proxy is how hard it is to grab beers on shelves. 5 years ago I could literally get whatever the hell I wanted - Fou Foune was a near permanent option. 2-3 years ago the rarest of the rare was gone, but I could still get semi-limited stuff easily like BCBS or Cantillon Lamvinus. Now? It's a dogfight for beers like f'ing Nugget Nectar or Maine Beer Lunch.

I think the trade market is largely just following store availability these days. The funny thing is brewery-only releases seem easier to trade for than many shelf beers due to allocations. It's easier to pry a Darkness out of someone's hands if they scored an armful whereas good luck on a King Henry when somebody only got 1 bottle.

 

That goes both ways too though. Look at stuff like Black Note. When that was first released we saw people looking for and offering quite a bit. I certainly wouldn't say those were easy to pry away. Same for the BA Hunahpu's when those came out, etc.

We're seeing a lot more "insta-whales" lately so it seems. But, it seems like there has just been more brewery-only or limited releases in general. I have no facts to back that up, it just seems that way to me.

 

Yeah, but beers like Black Note and BA Hunahpu's would have been insta-whales a year ago as well. You're basically talking about special limited sub-1000 bottle count beers with known pedigrees.

 

Okay, maybe those were bad examples... how about King Henry or Bramble Rye then? Those examples would work for my point I think.

 

Allow them. Use the REPORT function when people are not adding value to the trade.

If you remember, the bros mentioned that a reason why they were shutting it down in the first place was that they couldn't monitor every thread and no one was reporting anything. This is so simple. Just report every post in an ISO/FT that isn't directly adding value or is combative. I've done it a number of times now, and they remove them. All is well then.

Help them help us.

 

I think GI beers are bad examples, since they seem to love distributing beer ******edly thinly. It basically turns them into brewery-only beers. There's not much difference between waiting in line for 2 hours at the brewery and getting 2 bottles and spending 2 hours driving to all your locals stores and getting 2 bottles. Same deal with CBS. And really, those are the only beers this is happening with, so blame Founders and GI. I mean, have you seen anyone asking the moon for Sucaba?

Was Black Note really commanding ridiculous things? That would be the counterpoint, but if people are asking/offering similar brewery-only stuff, then it's not really that big of a thing.

After all, if everything's a whale, then you can trade them all for each other.

 

That was my point - that off the shelf 10,000+ bottle releases have been turned into insta-whales precisely because they have become impossible to get in stores. Meanwhile brewery only releases with less bottles (like Hunahpu's, for example) are actually easier to land than something like King Henry.

 

Yup. It is getting a little silly at this point. Look at regular BCS flying off the shelves and what people were trying to trade their bottles for when they came out. Dumb!

 

IMO, yes, Black Note was at the beginning. I don't know if we can go back and look at old threads, but there were some "crazy" threads.

 

super hans makes a good point.