Brett Saison getting darker in keg over time

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  1. Mag00n

    Mag00n Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    Ive observed over the past 2 months my saison has gotten much darker in the keg. Im pretty confident the keg is sealed well, the carbonation is constant and Im not using any excess co2. Thoughts? Did I pick up oxygen somewhere? Is there any other reason this would happen? I am starting to get near the bottom..

    These pics are 2 months apart. The beer definitely tastes different. The hops are fading and the brett is coming through more, Im not liking it as much as fresh, I dont detect any cardboard though.

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  2. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    It could be brett. Sometimes when you keg a beer with a very low floc yeast such as brett, you get extra yeast in the beer near the end of the keg as the volume compacts.
     
  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Has the keg been kept cold the whole time? Heat will speed up oxidation. Also, if a lot of time has passed, could be there is just more sediment near the dip-tube and as that gets sucked out, you may see a brighter beer?
     
  4. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
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    That was my thought as well, a beer will appear lighter with yeast in suspension, as it drops out it will begin to clear and appear darker.
     
  5. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Interesting. A friend has noticed similar findings with his IPAs. And IPAs is pretty much all he makes.

    He also doesn't go through excessive co2 tanks and the beers don't taste oxidized.

    Interesting yeast concept stated.

    I'm baffled.
     
  6. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I actually think this is opposite of what's true.

    Hazy beers with yeasts that just never drop out always appear 1-3 srm darker than a similar grist beer that is brite IMO.
     
  7. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
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    Well your photos prove otherwise...I know I've definitely noticed this in my carboys, when a beer is actively fermenting it is quite a bit lighter, than after the yeast floccs. Mostly because yeast is white or cream colored, I'd assume.
     
  8. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    How much unmalted or higher protein grains were used in the recipe? Could be that the proteins were refracting the light early on making it appear brighter, and then as the Brett breaks them down and they drop from suspension it is appearing darker.
     
  9. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    @Soneast

    100% of the yeast suspended in a carboy produces a different visual effect than extra yeast in a glass.

    A "little" extra yeast in the glass will make the beer appear darker. When you keg a beer with a low flocc yeast, the beer can vary between gravy, darker hazy and somewhat clear depending on time, temperature and rate of flocculation. The gravy beer can appear lighter than the darker hazy beer for the same reason as it appears lighter in the carboy. That's because it contains a metric crap ton of yeast!

    The pictures in the OP show the same beer in different diameter glasses and different lighting which makes for an invalid comparison. However, it's perfectly clear. Beer number two which is considered to be darker by the OP contains more yeast than beer number one and neither of the pours achieved gravy status.
     
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