Starting up a brewery on a budget

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  1. Bonesaw1127

    Bonesaw1127 Crusader (493) Nov 12, 2015 Connecticut

    Hey guys!

    I wanted to reach out to the beer community to hear everybody's input on opening up a small brewery on a budget. My friend and I decided that this is what our dream is and what we want to do for the rest of our lives. I am currently a biology student in college and want to graduate to get a job to support this idea. I am also trying to get a brewing internship over the summer at a brewery in CT. I have a decent understanding of the industry and am trying to get better and better at homebrewing. Of course I'm a newbie and I'm expecting to get backlash putting this out there but any info on the subject would be a great help.

    Cheer!
    D
     
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  2. JaredSammy

    JaredSammy Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2015 New York

    "Pinch pennies" quoted from Sam Calagione.
     
  3. Bonesaw1127

    Bonesaw1127 Crusader (493) Nov 12, 2015 Connecticut

    We have set a price we want to spend to start up and its low...very low compared to other companies that I know. I've been looking at every option I can. I've also been looking at places to base our brewery but I'm having trouble finding a place that fits our style.
     
  4. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Hey, not much experience or money? Don't look any farther than Not Your Father's Root Beer for quick returns.
     
  5. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    how big are you planning?
    what is your target budget?
    targeted sq. footage?
    number of employees?
     
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  6. Bonesaw1127

    Bonesaw1127 Crusader (493) Nov 12, 2015 Connecticut

    I know this might sound ridiculous but I was thinking possibly a 7 bbl brewing system. Our target budget is less than $10k (that is the maximum we can afford in the beginning), I haven't thought about the size of our facility and it would be just my friend and I as the employees to start. The only saving grace is that he is a business major who is brewing alongside my presently.
     
  7. riverlen

    riverlen Pundit (852) Sep 16, 2009 Illinois

    See if you can get a job in the business to gain some experience. It's great to have a goal. Save your nickels and dimes, running out of money can be a killer.
     
  8. 1000lbgrizzly

    1000lbgrizzly Maven (1,497) Jul 16, 2013 Illinois

    Not that I am a businessman, but if you are reaching out to the masses on BA for business advice, however knowledgeable we may collectively be, I think you should not bet your money against your business acumen. Not to rain on your parade, but this is a competitive, increasingly over-saturated market you are rather sheepishly entering. I second the idea about getting jobs in the field first, opening your own place second. If you are really gung-ho on being your own bosses from the get-go, pay an expert for real, experienced, professional business advice and go from that. $10K is so damn low. Investors would help. Maybe go on shark tank? I don't want to crush dreams, but I don't want you to go broke when a bunch of late night buzzed non-business-savvy beer enthusiasts tell you to "Go for it!!"

    Feel free to quote me as one of the early naysayers when you are raking in the dough on your beer empire.
     
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  9. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    7bbl @ $10k budget seems way way way way too low. 1 used Ferment vessel could run you 20%-50%+ your budget. and $15K for your brewhouse (used). Unless you get lucky and can snag a system for a defunct brewpub on the cheap.
    you might wanna do the math again on that budget.
    This might help. Once you have that number. Once you have the build-out cost then shoot for 30% of that as working capital.
     
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  10. skunkpuddle

    skunkpuddle Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2011 California

    I have a friend that raised money by having investors. There are lots of people who have some money and want to say they own part of a brewery. As long as you open with little to no debt and are willing to work hard it's hard to lose money.
     
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  11. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    If you build your own brewhouse, maybe with used 9 barrel stainless milk or syrup tanks, and do all your fermenting in plastic ethanol fermenters, build your own walk in, build your own keg cleaner and fill system, build your own malt grinding room and auger, and manage to secure enough good hops to make popular styles of beer, 10k is gonna leave you wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy short, as you need to plan not to make any money for the first year. Because chances are you won't.

    We figured if we did the above we still would need minimum 75K to have chance of success (sadly we didn't get funded).

    The old saying is so true. "Wanna make a small fortune in brewing? Invest a big fortune."
     
  12. MNBeer1017

    MNBeer1017 Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2013 Minnesota

    Another Im going to open a brewery or craft beer bar thread
     
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  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Has he written your business plan yet?
     
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  14. lambpasty

    lambpasty Initiate (0) May 3, 2013 New Hampshire

    I think you're on the right track saying you want to get jobs to fund this idea first. This is an industry where new breweries are a dime a dozen and even if you set yourself apart immediately by making incredible beers, you have to be able to ride out the first year or so until you get far enough beyond break-even that you can actually not only sustain the brewery on the income, but sustain yourself at the lifestyle level you want, PLUS have the overhead capital to deal with any unknowns that may come up.

    To me, graduating, getting a good job and practicing on homebrew in the interim is probably your best bet, so you can hone your skills and build the capital you need, plus have the security of a stable career in the event you can't get it off the ground on your first try.
     
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  15. Tommo

    Tommo Maven (1,462) Sep 25, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Guy earlier in the year posted he opened a brewery in Kentucky or Tennessee For a bout 20-25 grand. Start small. In Ct i believe you can sell directly to consumers are farmers markets once you have a license. Good way to get your name around without spending a ton of money. But in reality, without a solid amount of cash to weather a slow start (1-3 years), it could be rough

    Good luck
     
  16. PJ_

    PJ_ Zealot (662) Nov 13, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Cool to have goals and dreams but from the info you provide it sounds like it's way too early for you. Opening a business on a tight budget is always risky, specially if you have zero previous experience running one. Unexpected costs will come and chew that budget in a bit. Good luck but don't rush it. Keep homebrewing for a few years, go to homebrewing clubs to share and get feedback on your product, and watch a lot of Shark Tank.
     
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  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Used equipment is as expensive as new, or almost. Why? You can get it delivered quickly and start brewing. New equipment has a looonnnng waiting time as the suppliers a booked with new orders.

    Edit - you could open with a small system <3bbl, work like crazy, then have proof of concept to get a loan so that you can get the 7 bbl. Many don't recommend that once they have gone down that road.
     
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  18. jageraholic

    jageraholic Pooh-Bah (1,632) Sep 16, 2009 Massachusetts
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    I have a recommended business decision. Once you make beer, if you have a beer that is not up to snuff, no matter how hard it is to throw out a batch, dont serve it. Only serve beer that is on par with what you plan on making the entire time. One bad batch can turn away return customers really easy.
     
  19. fredmugs

    fredmugs Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2012 Indiana

    Some local guys just pulled in $40K from a Kickstarter campaign. Prior to that they had done a lot of home brewing and going to beer fests handing out samples. As you're learning get a brewery name and get it out there on social media so when you do try to raise money the community will have heard of you.
     
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  20. tillmac62

    tillmac62 Pooh-Bah (2,859) Oct 2, 2013 South Carolina
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    Make inquiries with brewers associations.
     
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