Couldn't get the kettle past 180, no boil

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  1. ChazMania

    ChazMania Savant (1,040) Jun 13, 2006 California

    First batch in 3 years, new propane tank and new Bayou Classic Sp10 burner. I tried more oxygen, less oxygen, lid on, lid off; called a pro brewer asked a ton of questions, no success it wouldn't get past 180. I proceeded to do all other steps as if it boiled (this was after 3 hours of everything on max/hi) but I'm afraid this is going to taste awful.
    What did I do wrong on the burner/propane side to not get 5 gallons to boil in an 8 gallon kettle?
     
  2. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    First of all, are you sure you didn't get a boil? Your thermometer could definitely be off....
     
  3. ChazMania

    ChazMania Savant (1,040) Jun 13, 2006 California

    Yes it was brand new thermometer and it was never rolling like a boil does. Tried another thermometer too that peaked at 185
     
  4. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    How does the flame look?

    I've seen propane tanks freeze up at full throttle with similar problems...try a warm bath for the tank
     
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  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I assume you were outside, was it very windy? Also, a water bath has helped me in the past if it is a cold day and I am doing a 10 gallon batch.
     
  6. ChazMania

    ChazMania Savant (1,040) Jun 13, 2006 California

    I was in the garage and it was 70 so it wasn't from cold/wind. The flame was orange, I gave it more oxygen/less oxygen trying to get it blue to nothing worked.
    So you actually put the whole propane tank in a hot bath?
     
  7. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    In addition to the air intake adjustment near the burner itself, there should also be a propane flow control knob near the attachment to the propane tank. Did you adjust that at all?
     
  8. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    it is possible that the valve wasn't fully opened. there is some process, safety shit with propane you know...

    turn off the flame, the propane tank and the needle valve. open the tank fully. open the needle valve and light. shut it down and do it a few times until you get full gas flow. I'm not certain how the mechanism works, but if you don't have a huge flame going it is probably the valve.

    it might be the needle valve as well. make sure there is not a spiders nest in that blocking gas flow.

    the SP10 will boil 10 gallons no problem.
    Cheers.
    yes, what Krusty says. Do that.
     
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  9. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    proper lighting sequence (tank value off - regulator valve off - hook up gas hose - open tank value FIRST - then crack regulator value and light). If you do not follow this sequence there is a safety devise that prevents the gas from flowing. If this happens to you, do the following to reset the devise. Close all valves, remove the hose from the propane tank, open the regulator valve (you can hear the device reset), close the regulator value and reattach the hose to the tank and start the lighting sequence as above.
     
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  10. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Just a shot in the dark -- did your new burner come with a second valve orifice? I forget which type of valve orifice is larger/smaller, but you may have an orifice installed in your burner that is for natural gas and not LP.
     
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  11. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Yep.

    Also, go ahead and ferment away. It may turn out well, it may not. Please report back with results.
    A lot of historic beers were never actually boiled, more of just a low simmer, although for much longer than what we tend to do. You probably got really crappy hop utilization. What style of beer was it?
    180*F would still be a high enough temperature to kill any nasties, though.
     
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  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I think the NG orfice is larger as it's designed for lower pressure
     
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  13. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I've got a bayou classic and I notice that sometimes when I connect the gas line to the propane tank, I won't hear a steady stream of propane coming out on the burner side. I usually have to do this a few times until I get it just right and hear it rushing out. Were all your connections snug? As long as you have a steady stream of propane on the burner side you'll get enough flame to produce a boil, guaranteed.

    You could also have brewed a no-boil berliner, but by the sound of your post it doesn't sound like that's the case...
     
  14. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    Was your regulator facing up? Father almost "ruined" Thanksgiving trying to fry a turkey and the oil never got up passed 180 because of the regulator on the tank line.
     
  15. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Upon further reflection, I am pretty sure @billandsuz and @GreenKrusty101 says it the problem. There is a safety feature on propane regulators that keep the gas from just leaking out, but this can cause problems in the flow. Try the steps GreenKrusty lists.

    And yes, I would fill a rubbermaid tote up with about 10 gallons of hot water and float the propane tank in it. This was only necessary on the coldest days as I got to the end of the tank.

    Both of these problems make me so happy I switched to NG :slight_smile:
     
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  16. ChazMania

    ChazMania Savant (1,040) Jun 13, 2006 California

    Thank you for all the tips/pointers on this. I appreciate it, I'm going to hook it all back up this weekend to see if the sequencing suggestions are the trick. I don't think my propane tank was cold, it was 70 in my garage and mid 70 outside.
     
  17. ChazMania

    ChazMania Savant (1,040) Jun 13, 2006 California

    Update: So my new Bayou Classic SP10 has a kind of 'flow restrictor' on the intake side. So even if the vales are wide open, flow is restricted. My colleague at work said he had the same problem recently and 'maybe' something to do with regulations when sold in Calif. He took a tiny drill bit and drilled it out and was able to quickly get to a full boil. He going to fix mine for me now as well.
     
  18. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    How did the beer come out?
     
  19. ChazMania

    ChazMania Savant (1,040) Jun 13, 2006 California

    I'm going to rack it this weekend. I'll sample taste prior to see if its horrendous or not.
     
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