Beer Guide for visiting New Mexico

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  1. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    If you haven't been to Nob Hill Bar and Grill across the street that is definitely worth a run. Not locally-oriented, but that's the appeal--- far too many New Mexico bars and restaurants are "local" heavy to the point of saturation.
     
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  2. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Been to Nob Hill Bar & Grill.

    As for the beer, I liked the taplist but I would have personally liked a little more local options, just not at the expense of their Odell offerings! I tend to be a homer and like to drink/discover local though. (As for the food there, I found it to be my biggest waste of money on food down here in ABQ, personally.) I am not trying to sound so down on the place, I will definitely be back to drink there, my drinking experience there was definitely a positive.

    Also, regarding Matanza, I have yet to come across any place that offers as many local breweries and such a wide assortment of beers in one place here in Albuquerque. I have yet to hit up Oneils or Kellys, FWIW. My exposure to the ABQ bar and restaurant scene is obviously very limited given I have only been here for just shy of 2 months, but much of what I found on tap I have yet to come across anywhere else. So I found Matanza to seperate themselves from others in that regard.
     
  3. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Try the Draft Station on Central. All New Mexico drafts and since it's part of the Chama River/Blue Corn family you can try Blue Corn beers without going to Santa Fe.
     
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  4. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    Should've mentioned this awhile back. i almost never touch Riverwalk. There is almost always something in the middle boards (seasonal/pilot beers) that catches my interest. From their centennial pale ale recently, to the scale tipper, and acequia, they are never short on hop focused seasonal offerings.. In fact, I don't think I touch any of their regular core offerings. I am rarely there, once every two months, so the one offs seem to be very well made.

    Their Imperial Coffee Brown in bombers was real nice. I felt as it warmed up, it became boozier, and sweeter, which never seems to happen for me when beers warm. Smoothness was nice as is. I don't like losing carbonation for the sake of more creaminess.

    Totally missed the LC anniversary events. I never do that. I guess buying a bit of xocoveza will do that to ones wallet. I like big beers. But all at once is tough. Now is the time. I will need to stop by before its too late and try some of their bigger offerings.

    @denver10, any other places you have visited you care to share?

    My traveling and treking ways seem to be numbered. I like experimenting with the latest package sales. Bigger bang for your buck. But If I hear things about Boese or say Ponderosa or Rio Bravo, I'll be there with the quickness. I think I've given them all 2-3 chances by now. Now it's a waiting game. On the contrary, La Cumbre and Marble won me over instantly.
     
  5. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Nowhere I haven't already shared.

    Just got back from La Cumbre's taproom and enjoying a Ryeot on Rye ryght now.
     
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  6. gyoungit

    gyoungit Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2014 New Mexico

    I guess I should revisit the La Cumbre Ryeot on Rye.
     
  7. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico


    Did you try the fresh Project Dank? Pretty crazy. Heavy melon profile. One of the most distinct batches ever.
     
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  8. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Yep, definitely dug it.
     
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  9. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Hope you tried that La Negra or picked up a bottle too. That's the star of the show for me right now.
     
  10. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    No, didn't try that one. Not a rum fan so that one isn't in my wheelhouse.
     
  11. miggs3030

    miggs3030 Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2013 New Mexico

    The bottles of la negra are oak aged and draft is rum BA.
     
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  12. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    (Off topic but the latest variation of Odell's Wolfpicker has a big honeydew thing going on....along with some strong herbal qualities and peaches.....at least that is what I got from it...I absolutely loved it)
     
  13. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Checked out Lobo Beast.

    Consider me underwhelmed. Plenty of enjoyable beers to choose from but all they seemed to offer was flagship, year round offerings. Nothing I couldn't pick up at the local liquor store besides their own house brewed stuff, which I didn't try. Cool to know there's a local spot where I can nab any of my favorite Odell beers, particularly Myrcenary, but that, in all honesty, is not enough of a draw to get me back. Food didn't do much for me....wasn't bad but not anything I would seek out, personally.
     
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  14. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Never had any interest in visiting there. Hate that area by the university. Not my scene. I have zero use for a place with 101 taps either. Give me 20 curated taps, over 101 that, like you said, are exactly what I can get in stores.

    Not sure if you're aware, but there will be a Victory at Sea Day at Nob Hill Bar and Grill soon. I think Saturday.
     
  15. aaronyoung01

    aaronyoung01 Maven (1,386) Oct 1, 2012 New Mexico
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    A week from Saturday. January 30th at 4pm
     
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  16. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    I actually tried hitting up La Cumbre and Bosque before settling with Lobo Beast, but the two taprooms were both miserably busy and I decided not to stick around. Don't know that UNM area scene too well so can't really have an opinion of it. But the place was dead when I was there, so I was just able to drink my beer and eat my food (which I think less and less the more I think about it and my stomach continues to feel it) without any issues.

    I guess I am got spoiled living in Fort Collins and Denver. Living around places like Tap N Handle, Falling Rock, Mayor of Old Town, I consistently had access to places that offered huge tap lists and awesome beers, mixing the flagship stuff, with the one off's and pilot releases, with special releases consistently. The places with the smaller tap list with carefully/well chosen beers, like Freshcraft and Choice City, was always on my radar too, but I loved the variety the other places offered. They always had something to scratch my itch. And I always loved how many of the places offered you a variety of different size pours, not restricting you to only a pint or flight. Personally, I love getting half pints/10 oz and any place that offers half pints has a notch up against those places that don't. I honestly don't get why not every place offers the half pints, given their mark up in price it seems like it would be nothing but profitable for them.
     
  17. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico


    Yeah, our bar scene sorely lacks. If I were on my game, that would be the business I'd go into and bring the city and our state a proper beer bar.
     
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  18. erway

    erway Crusader (478) Jul 28, 2006 New Mexico


    I'd love to do it and I think I could do a good job of it but there are three very GLARING problems.

    #1: A full liquor license. This would be necessary if you intend for beer to be more than 60% of all sales. They are running for about $350,000 right now. No kidding.

    #2: Distribution sorely lacks here. Sure you could clean your own draft lines and fix that major problem with distributors here, but then there is the issue of a complete lack of HTFs from outside the state and outside the country.

    #3: Population and GDP/capita. Much of the state is very value oriented. Now much of the $10+ 22, 375s and 750s that one would want to sell would age well, so sitting on them should not be a problem, but you would have so much old beer if you tried to do anything more than 50 or so beers in bottles and 20 beers on tap... You'd end up dumping kegs regularly. Not idea.

    So there you go. Our state doesn't have any great beer bars... But great breweries? Yep. In spades.
     
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  19. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Jeff, I agree with you on #1. The licensure issue is monolithic problem and one that will remain as long as the few license holders and their lobbyists get their way.

    But I think that the question of distribution has changed mightily. Just last year we got Founder's, BP, that whole Belgian portfolio (most exciting due to the St. Bernardus inclusion) and Twelve Percent Distribution. Founder's and BP have already shown a willingness to bring one-offs and rarities in and, assuming that will continue, provide the ammunition a good beer bar would need to get people through the doors regularly. On top of that, I think the local breweries could help the cause by sending the occasional cellared keg or limited one-off to support the bar and create some symbiosis.

    My favorite beer bars are all in NYC and they all have done an excellent job of showcasing NYC's breweries by featuring their beers. In turn, the breweries seem to often send them limited gems. One obvious caveat to this is that it's NYC and they are going nuts right now for their local breweries who can't produce enough beer, so the beer is moving there faster, but I still think the right management working in concert with our locals, could find away to feature brews the consumer couldn't just drink down the street at the brewery.

    As to your final point, I wouldn't bother offering anything hop-forward in bottles or cans unless it was rare enough or hard enough to procure to the point that I knew people would come in seeking that specific beer out. For bottles, I'd focus mostly on stuff that would age well (and invest in a proper cellar!) as you said. As for kegs and the average income here, this is where what @denver10 mentioned comes into play: you have to offer a variety of prices. For me, half pours and full pours ain't enough options. I'm all for the 4 ounce, 8 ounce, 12 ounce, 16 ounce scaling. Proletariat in NYC does this and it's awesome. Allows one to get proper tastes of beers, buy according to their budget, and weigh whether they're interested more in quantity or quality or rarity or some combination of those and other factors. Someone might not have interest nor the budget for a $12 10 ounce pour of a barleywine or imperial stout, but they might be willing to pay $5 for four ounces.

    I can attest to the final point as I often fall in that category. Visit Torst or Mikkeller and the prices can border on ludicrous for a full pour. Their smaller pours ( I think they only do 4, 8 and 12) are still overpriced by my standards (very much Albuquerque standards) but I'm willing to pay them given the beers on tap and the fact that the price is more within what I like to pay.

    Anyway, just trying to play devil's advocate and put a positive spin on this, because I do believe we can have a great beer bar here. As always, I appreciate what you all are doing at La Cumbre and I love the fact that you're even considering a beer bar....shows there's hope for all of us.
     
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  20. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    The area where NM is definitely lacking in distribution is on the saison/farmhouse front, IMO. Admittedly, I have only yet to shop at Jubilation so that this complaint might not hold hold to the market at whole, but other than Saison Dupont, which Jubilation only offers in 750's and no 4 packs at that, there aren't any saisons or farmhouse ales on the shelves that hold my interest. Many will probably stand up for Ommegang's Hennepin, but I am not a fan (too heavy on the wheat for me). If we can't get any local guys to begin offering a top flight saison/farmhouse ale, or ales, at least we could find a way to bring in some Funkwerks, Prairie, Boulevard, etc. Crooked Stave somehow manages to get the stuff into Kentucky, why not their neighbor?

    Oh, and we also need some Firestone Walker (which could also help on the farmhouse front, with Opal).

    Also, a place that recently opened in Denver, First Draft, allows you to pay per ounce. Awesome concept, IMO.
     
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