Is Bottle Dating Really THAT Difficult?

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  1. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Well yes, to put a best by date on the bottle it took an additional step, so make that step worthwhile instead of a meaningless arbitrary date. Put on the bottling date. For a hoppy beer would the brewer use a 3 month best by date? 6 months, 12 months? It can mean what they want it to mean which IMO isn't much, you have no idea. Leave off the date so I most definitely walk by your product or put on a best by date and if it's a hoppy beer I'm still leaving it on the shelf unless it's a known release date. Too many are dated to put up with this nonsense.
     
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  2. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    We use a bottled on date at our brewery, but to be honest, I think a best by date is more practical. The brewer should know better than consumers when a beer is best by if they have done the necessary testing. This also requires the brewers to be knowledgable about their product and honest with the consumers. The problem with bottled on dates is that a lot of people make blanket statements regarding beers, most specifically IPA's, such as "IPA's are best drank before 3 months." But that doesn't take into account all the different ways that breweries handle their beer. My IPA at 3 months probably tastes as stale as Sierra Nevada's IPA's would at 6 months because we get so much more dissolved oxygen when bottling and transferring than they would. For this reason, I always recommend drinking our IPA within 8 weeks... Fresher than many consumers would call the maximum freshness for hoppy beers.

    For the record, we use a Meheen bottle filler, which is the most widely used filler for small breweries. Based on my experience, 8-12 weeks is max for freshness out of these fillers. Using some products that help prevent oxidation, our less hoppy beers that are also low in caramel malts can taste fresh for up to 14 weeks.
     
  3. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    Also, to answer the original question, no, date stamping is not hard. I believe our date stamper was a $200 upgrade to our labeler. Our labeler works at the minimum speed requires to keep up with our bottle filler (about 72 cases an hour fill rate). If we have problems on a bottling day, it is normally just that the date stamp is out of alignment and is missing the box on the label for the bottled on date. The date is however still on those bottles and still legible, just not centered in the box.
     
  4. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    As small breweries grow, they become more cognizant of the law and insurance liability issues. I know one that has stopped using volunteers, they used to. They now also have a less labor intensive bottling line which reduces the need. For those above reasons, they have stopped. Some friends no longer get the short fills as the compensation.
     
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  5. westcoastbeergeek

    westcoastbeergeek Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2015 Canada (BC)

    I'm fine with best by date for "drink fresh" beers, but I want a bottled date for high-potential cellar beers (at least the year, but year and month is better).
     
  6. jmasher85

    jmasher85 Savant (1,169) Mar 27, 2015 Maryland

    I don't date bottles. I prefer a one night stand.
     
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  7. westcoastbeergeek

    westcoastbeergeek Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2015 Canada (BC)

    Agree, but if you are at the state of producing 1000's of bottles then you have a labeling machine and can easily put a date on the labels with that machine (mention previously). Or there's hand stamping...

    This is from a place that at festivals goes out of their way to ensure you have a fully rinsed glass and dumps batches with faults. They have some of the most sought after beer in BC. It's that extra little step that shows that they care and ultimately will help them win the long game. It took them a year to start dating bottles, which is fair.

    Honestly a refillable dating hand stamp is like $20 and is super quick to use and the labels can be pre-stamped and re-rolled. Perfect new guy or new girl job!

    [​IMG]
     
  8. westcoastbeergeek

    westcoastbeergeek Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2015 Canada (BC)

    This a great example!
     
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  9. Garbagedog2

    Garbagedog2 Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Michigan

    In Michigan we have a few, Shorts and Oddside come to mind as they do not bottle date the beers I have seen.
    I always assumed this was intentional in order to trick you into buying that Spring seasonal sitting on the shelf in November.
    When they produce a new beer every two weeks it gets hard to keep track of what is current and more importantly
    not current...
     
  10. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    No, I'm not against it. As I stated earlier, I have had a number of IPAs or low alcohol beers that were more than three months old and were still good. I'm against making a blanket judgement about a beer that is sitting on the shelf (excluding the ones you mention, like, for example, Stone's Sublimely Self Righteous Ale, that give a specific pull date), as in, "Oh, looking at the 'Bottled On' date I see that this beer is about 4 - 5 months old; so it's probably not good."

    As one example, just last week I had an Evil Twin Molotov Cocktail (a beer classified as a double IPA) that had a bottle date in early June of this year--putting it at about 6 months old--and it was as good as when I had it a couple of months earlier. As another example, I had a Founders Porter that was about 7 - 8 months old, and it was still one of the best porters I've ever had.
     
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  11. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    This is the answer I think we're looking for.
     
  12. Kadonny

    Kadonny Pooh-Bah (2,616) Sep 5, 2007 Florida
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    I don't want the Brewer or anyone else telling me when it's best to consume any beer. His idea of best may not be the same as mine. Let me make my choice based on my past experiences and information I have gathered. I won't mind a best by date if a bottled on date is there too, but the bottled on date is a must for me.
     
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  13. rightcoast7

    rightcoast7 Maven (1,330) Apr 2, 2011 Maine
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    I prefer born on to best by dates as well, but I can live with best by if that's what's available. It seems that most brewers use a best by date in the 5-6 month range, so I can usually do rough math on my own to figure out the age. If it's like a month or two from the best by date, I know the beer is probably 3-5 months old and will act accordingly. If there is no date on a hoppy beer, I will not buy it unless it's a recent seasonal or I know the store and have a good idea of when it arrived.
     
  14. bcaputo99

    bcaputo99 Crusader (497) Sep 14, 2009 Florida

    You have to appreciate this topic if you live in southern Florida. We are one of the last places to receive beer deliveries of US craft beers. Thank God for the recent rise of local craft brewers where beer fans can get decent locally grown beers on tap. I ordered a G'Knight can recently a nearby pub..the waitress said they just got it in stock. The beer, a favorite of mine when I lived in Chicago, was skunked and 6 months past its canned date. Its tough all around for stores and pubs to keep their stock fresh..they blame it on the distributors...HA! I always check the bottles and cans for freshness..especially the IPA's.
     
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  15. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    The Bruery etches on their bottles. Easy to read.:slight_smile:
     
  16. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    They just got it in stock, and it was 6 months past the canning date? That sucks.

    I'm glad to read local craft brewers there (in Florida) are on the rise. It's great to know you can buy good beer that is brewed locally, and is fresh.
     
  17. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    F&%king Classic!!1 @jesskidden I love your constant role as Mr. Information, but you're killing me with this one.
     
  18. skunkpuddle

    skunkpuddle Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2011 California

    I know it's been super hard for Green Flash
     
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