Any reason not to dry hop in primary?

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  1. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    And by dry hop in primary I mean after fermentation activity has stopped. I would let the beer primary for 14 days, take some samples and at day 15 dump the hops in then cold crash at 3 weeks. Good idea or nah?
     
  2. suavo

    suavo Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2014

    I dry hop in primary...I don't cold crash...I just fine warm in the keg and put it in the keezer...it seems to work pretty good...
     
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  3. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    dry hop in the primary is way better than dry hop in a secondary. When I dry hop, I tend to follow the schedule you have, 2 weeks fermentation, 4-7 days dry hop, then package. With that said, it has been a while since I dry hopped a beer. If I was doing so today, I would seriously think about splitting my additions so 1/2 went in during active fermentation, then 1/2 a week later.
     
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  4. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    Would you put in half due to the churning action?

    I was told that the yeast would do something with the hop oils in primary or some chit and was cautioned against dry hopping in primary. that made me want to do it more and see why I was cautioned against it.
     
  5. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Short answer: no
    Longer answer: no.
     
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  6. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Active fermentation, also yeast, does strip away flavor and aroma. However, there are benefits to adding hops during fermentation. When I brew IPAs I dry hop on day 3 or 4 then transfer to a keg and dry hop again for 2 - 3 days before lowering the temp.

    The benefits of dry hopping in the secondary are out weighted by the pickup of O2 during transfer and the risk of infection.

    As a new brewer I would just add all my dry hops in during the final stages of fermentation, like when 80% of fermentation is complete.
     
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  7. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    It appears that yeast and dry hops combine in "interesting" ways when the yeast are actively doing their thing. You might lose something from the CO2 outgassing, but you potentially gain things as well. At the home brew level, it is very easy to add an extra ounce to deal with any loss from CO2. Read through the NE IPA thread for more detail.

    The easy answer is to do what you were planning on doing, that is a good first step. Then you can experiment with different dry hopping schedules and have a base to compare with. @GetMeAnIPA has a good idea, don't wait for the fermentation to finish, just plan on adding somewhere on day 6-9 (actual day depends on yeast, temperature, grain bill,...).
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I always dry hop in the primary after signs of fermentation is complete (i.e., after airlock activity has stopped).

    There is no reason to wait until "14 days" unless that is when signs of fermentation is complete.

    I personally do not cold crash but that is an option if you choose to do so.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    I am using US05 yeast and a basic 2 row, cara40 and torrified wheat mash bill. I had some trouble with diacetyl in a cream ale I just cracked open. I call it a butterscotch cream ale. To combat that I was planning on raising the temp to 73-75 after the last part of primary is done. I actually have a oak/bourbon/coffee/chocolate/vanilla brown ale in primary doing this now because im terrified of more butterscotch beer.

    anyway, will this have any effect on the dry hopping? I have brewed 4 pale ales with us-05 and never had a problem. The house got a little cold and the temp dropped in my frankenstein ferm chamber then I cold crashed. I think that is what caused the diacetyl. I put a light in a paint can to act as a heater so it wont get too cold again. I'm just scared haha
     
  10. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    I dry hop in primary almost exclusively nowadays. I check it and when it is at or near anticipated terminal gravity (I know what to expect with my recipe), I dry hop, verify final gravity is achieved and bottle.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I couldn't really tell you how many times I have brewed with US-05; maybe 50 times? I have never had a diacetyl issue when brewing with that yeast but I must caveat that I have never conducted a cold crash with that yeast (or any other yeast for that matter). I personally see no need to cold crash but that is an individual homebrewer decision.

    Why do you think there is a need to cold crash?

    Cheers!
     
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  12. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    I was experimenting. Never again.

    The beer I brewed before this was a pale ale that I bottled after 10 days because I found there was a crack in my fermentor. It came out awesome with no diacetyl. I was trying to see how fast I could get beer out of primary and into bottles. It was a three gallon batch that sat for 13 days in primary with 2 days of cold crashing. I think the cold crashing plus the lower than normal fermentation temp did it.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, IMO there is no real need for a cold crash. Other BA homebrewers may have differing thoughts.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I am with you Jack. I've never really seen the value.
     
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  15. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    I used pilsner, melanoiden, and honey malt and boiled for 2 hours
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Why do you think that the formation of diacetyl is a malt/boil issue?

    Cheers!
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Um, are you thinking DMS here?

    Cheers!
     
  18. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I must be confusing the two. I thought they both were the same, buttery flavor. I just did a quick google and I was wrong. Dms is the cream corn. Good thing is I haven't had either, yet, so I haven't had to research it.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Nope.

    Excess Diacetyl will provide a flavor that many folks perceive as butter and/or butterscotch.

    Excess DMS (Dimethyl Sulfide) will provide a flavor that many folks perceive as cooked corn, creamed corn, etc.

    Two different compounds and two different favor profiles.

    Cheers!
     
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  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    ^ Jack is correct. I don't know why, but a lot of people confuse Diacetyl and DMS. Maybe because they both start with a D.
     
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