Most Definitive Beers of their Type?

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  1. beer_pilgrim

    beer_pilgrim Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2015 Michigan

    So, I'm fairly new to craft beer and while I'm enjoying it tremendously, I feel as though I don't have a very good foundation. I've tried many beers so far and liked and disliked a bunch. However, it doesn't seem like I have anything to compare it to. So what I'm wondering is if there is are beers that are considered the definitive examples of their type? Even if they aren't your favorite; can anyone point to beers that exemplify what they are?
     
  2. Jacobier10

    Jacobier10 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,102) Feb 23, 2004 New Jersey
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    The "Beer Styles" page is a good place to start. Beers are sorted by # of reviews which will give you a good idea of the definitive examples for each style. You can also sort them by top rated.
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/style/

    Another good resource is the Beers of Fame list. Each beer on there gets good ratings has been in existence for at least 10 yrs.
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/lists/fame/
     
  3. jakemn91

    jakemn91 Pooh-Bah (2,172) Jun 14, 2013 New Mexico
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    The beer style page that @Jacobob10 suggested will help. I'll call it out few specifically that I think you may want to try if you haven't already. They are all solid representations of their style in my opinion. Since you're in Michigan, I will focus on beers that you should be able to find fairly easily.

    Porter - Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald, Bells Porter
    Stout - Bells Kalamazoo
    Imperial Stout - Bells Expedition, Dark Horse Plead the 5th
    Stout with Adjuncts - Founders Breakfast Stout
    American Barleywine - Sierra Nevada Bigfoot
    American IPA - Bells Two Hearted, Sierra Nevada Torpedo, Dark Horse Crooked Tree
    Double IPA - Bells Hopslam
    Hefeweizen - Weihenstephan
    Pilsner - Pilsner Urquell
    Oktoberfest - Great Lakes Oktoberfest
    Gueuze - Lindemanns Cuvee Rene
    Dubbel - Chimay Red, Rochefort 6
    Tripel - Westmalle Tripel
    Belgian Strong Pale Ale - Duvel
     
  4. Invinciblejets

    Invinciblejets Pooh-Bah (1,710) Sep 29, 2014 South Carolina
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    A good place to start with saisons is of course Saison DuPont.
     
  5. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Except for Fuller's ESB and Kolsch there really aren't many definitive beers simply because styles themselves evolve.They began simply as names , often applied loosely and interchangeably . There have been hundreds of IPAs for example with the names being the only thing in common.
    This may seem unhelpful but is a fair assessment of the situation. Organisations such as the BJCP (which is specifically for homebrewing competition classes) do attempt to tie styles down but have to regularly update things.
     
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  6. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    Beers that exemply the style for me ill just add a few of the styles i really like....

    IPA, this depends. Thete seems to be an east coast, NE, west coast sub versions but since i live in NJ ill say 60 minute ipa by Dogfish head

    Wit, allagash white

    Pilsner, Pilsner Urquell

    Vienna\Amber, Boston Lager

    Kolsch, Schlafly Kolsch.
     
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  7. keithmurray

    keithmurray Pooh-Bah (2,967) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
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    Tripel - La Fin Du Monde
    Pilsner - Konig Pilsner
    Hefeweissen - Weihenstephaner
    Eisbock - Aventinus Eisbock
    Russian Imperial stout - Ten Fidy
    English Pale Ale - Fullers London Pride
    Dubbel - Westmalle Dubbel
    Witbier - Hoegaarden
     
  8. teromous

    teromous Grand Pooh-Bah (3,180) Mar 21, 2010 Virginia
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    This approaches the question from a different angle, but in the BJCP (Beer Judge Certification Program) you can view a list of beers by category that are the standard by which homebrewed beers are judged. You can download the style guidelines:
    http://www.bjcp.org/stylecenter.php

    At the bottom of each category you will see "Commercial Examples" which give you a baseline. Like you mentioned in your original post this will not always be a favorite...
     
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  9. TheHopsman

    TheHopsman Pooh-Bah (1,570) Apr 7, 2015 Nebraska
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    It's not that I don't wish to submit a list of beers pertaining to certain styles to you for reference, because I kinda do, and could... but... everyone is going to have a different list of beers based off of variables like personal preference, location of residence, distro availability, etc. Some people will suggest drinking local, others will raise their nose and only drink whales, and everything in between... so I'd agree with those who suggested reading the Beer Styles page here on Beer Advocate or finding another helpful resource to inform you on what you're seeking. Find a couple styles you like and go from there (shouldn't be hard seeing that your in Michigan). Enjoy the adventure and hunt, and as always, CHEERS!
     
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  10. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    That probably the best way to go about it. The categories here on BA aren't separated by flavorings or treatment like that BJCP does, so going by the 'top' examples won't always get you to what you're looking for.
     
  11. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Using the lists in the database here can be a tricky way to navigate since they are organized by most reviewed and highest rated. A beer that can be a perfectly good representation of a style might get average reviews while an extreme beer can get much more praise. A beer with coffee in it can have high scores and strong sales, but the only thing it can be a definitive representation of is a beer with coffee in it.

    As @marquis points out, there's really no such thing anyway, but that doesn't mean that you can't get a lot out of the exercise of trying.

    Threads like this one below might be a more useful tool to navigate the waters:
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/favorite-classic-of-the-style.323499/

    Another approach is to ignore the idea of looking for the standards and just work your way through the beers of a widely available brewery that successfully handles a diverse lineup. You'll get different levels of success this way. Breweries like Sierra Nevada, Victory, and maybe Brooklyn would be decent choices.

    Lastly, you said you were already enjoying yourself tremendously. Well, if it ain't broke... Foundations will sneak up on you in time.
     
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  12. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Your in Michigan. Drink your way through the offerings of Founders, Bells and Dark Horse. That will give you a dann good foundation.
     
  13. Angerhaus

    Angerhaus Pooh-Bah (2,020) Oct 1, 2015 Rhode Island
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    And, perhaps, unrealistic expectations.
     
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  14. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    What happened to American Pale Ale and SNPA?
     
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  15. SchmittHappens

    SchmittHappens Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2013 New Jersey

    in all honesty the BJCP style guidelines is a great resource and has excellent examples listed for each style.
    It can be found here ---> http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/catdex.php (this is from the 2008 guidelines and can be viewed online and is easier to navigate)
    the 2015 version is only available in PDF or word packets I believe but can be found on the top of the page here and available for download ----> http://www.bjcp.org/stylecenter.php
     
  16. jakemn91

    jakemn91 Pooh-Bah (2,172) Jun 14, 2013 New Mexico
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    Good suggestion, Missed that one. I just came up with some styles and good example off the top of my head. I didn't mean for it to be an exhaustive list.
     
  17. NanookinTexas

    NanookinTexas Aspirant (298) Jul 5, 2015 Texas

    In a helpful manner, I'll anwer your question with some questions:

    What is it that you are TRULY attempting to accomplish?

    What is it that you are TRULY searching for?

    Are you attempting to make certain that you only get the very best craft brews?

    Are you attempting to minimize your exposure to what may be deemed as "bad brew?"

    Kevin Zraly, (the World renowned wine sommelier at World renowned Windows on The World restaurant that sat upon the top of the World Trade Center) in his books and classes teaching about wine, early on teaches a few key points that you may apply to your craft brew journey (I'm making broad statements here and, not quoting; and you may put these in any order you wish): Don't base any of your purchase decisions (your budget excepting) on cost; don't put 100% stock in reviews that you read about any particular brew (one BA's "drain pour" may be your bottle of 24karat Gold); of most importance in all this, get what YOU like; and except the fact that in your journey, you WILL come across some brew that you do not like. Even if you are not into wine, I highly recommend you read any of Kevin Zraly's books.

    All that being said, while the "STYLE" list and the "BEERS of FAME" list on BA, and the BJCP "STYLE" list may get you in the ballpark, much is going to be based upon your personal taste. Naturally, I can't catagorize a St. Bernardus ABT 12 as a American Double/Imperial IPA, nor is a Stone Thunderstruck a Belgian Quadrupel, nor is a Duvel a stout.

    Study how the various styles are created. If you have a local shop where you are able to obtain the raw ingredients to make home brew, go there and get some of those ingredients. Learn their unique qualities. You'll be amazed at what you discover!!! Keep a handwritten dossier of the brews that you consume. You'll find it to be an immense help in your craft brew journey!!!

    HAPPY CRAFT BREW TRAILS to you GOOD SIR!!! :grinning::grinning::grinning:

    CHEERS and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!:grinning::grinning::grinning:
     
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  18. beer_pilgrim

    beer_pilgrim Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2015 Michigan

    Thank you everyone, this has been very helpful. I do want to reply to Nanookin Texas though. I can say I want to know more about what I like. Do I like dry stouts, or just a particular one because of an adjunct? Can I make informed suggestions to people- that sort thing.
     
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  19. NanookinTexas

    NanookinTexas Aspirant (298) Jul 5, 2015 Texas

    That's COOL!!!

    When I was once really, REALLY, big into cigars, wine, cognac, and the like, I became a student of those (particularly cigars and wine).

    Become a student of this craft brew world.

    It is kinda cool when you reach a point you are able to assist a fellow consumer in a shop with what they may be seeking. It will require asking them questions about what other things they like as far as food, drink, etc., then guide them toward a selection that person may enjoy. When you get to that point, most people are very appreciative of the guidance you may provide.

    DIVE IN HEAD FIRST my friend!!! It's a MEGA craft brew world out there!!! SOAK IT ALLLLLL IN!!!:wink::sunglasses::grinning:

    CHEERS!!!
     
  20. derricksmalls

    derricksmalls Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2010 Virginia

    I don't know if I understand fully your question. Are you trying to figure out what each particular style should taste like in order to give you an understanding of what styles you like? If this is the case Sierra Nevada may be a place to start. Every style they do exemplifies what that style should taste like. Plus in terms of craft they are relatively cheap. If this isn't what you were asking please ignore and move down to next reply. Cheers!!
     
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