No love for Kolsch?

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  1. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    But since all beer brewed in the US is labeled either with information as to the physical location where it is brewed or the location where the major business office of the brewery is located, there is no "pass off" as being a Kolsch from Koln.
     
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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Adnams style Kölsch Beer – 4.2% abv – October

    By Fergus Fitzgerald, also posted in Beer News on 01/10/09
    Tags: Beer News, cask ale, german, pilsner


    Kölsh German Style Beer

    Brewed with a German top fermenting yeast, Munich and Pilsner malts and hopped with Spalt hops. This beer is fermented at a high temperature and then lagered to allow the beer to mellow and condition.

    Typical examples: Küppers, Reissdorf

    What I really love about German beer is the culture that surrounds it and that is particularly true of Kölsch in Cologne.

    Everyone seems to drink Kölsch in Cologne regardless of status or gender. It crosses the divide between ale and lager and keeps the best elements of both.

    Karl Marx once said that the revolution wouldn’t work in Cologne because the bosses drink with their workers.

    I don’t know if a beer style can shape a regions culture or if the culture shapes the beer they drink, but I like to think it’s a bit of both.

    - See more at: http://adnams.co.uk/about/news/beer...-beer-–-4-2-abv-october/#sthash.S7yZ201u.dpuf

    Well, at least the Head Brewer of Adnams loves the German beer Culture as he labels his beer with the word “Kölsch”.

    I must step away for a few minutes to make some more popcorn.:wink:

    Cheers!
     
  3. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

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  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Thought that part might interest you. IIRC there are others in the UK.
     
  5. Snubnoze

    Snubnoze Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2015 California

    I like Sante Adairius' description of their "Coaster Tick" beer they recently put out. "Cologne Style Lagered Blonde Ale" :wink:
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “It isn't a psuedo-copyright law, it's genuine EU law.”

    But the UK is part of the EU. How is it possible that British brewers use the word “Kölsch” for their beer brands!?!:confused:

    Any barristers in the house?

    Cheers!
     
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  7. Snubnoze

    Snubnoze Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2015 California

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  8. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, just as is the case for several US breweries as well. (It also has the brewing location on the label. Which is the case with most all US breweries unless they use the location of the business offices.)
     
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  9. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Yes. I can paint a replica of a van Gogh using the identical canvas. same paints and matching brush stroke for brush stroke.But it still isn't a van Gogh but a copy. If I try to sell it it's a forgery.
    It's fine to call it a Kolsch style provided it matches all the criteria except for the brewery location.
     
  10. Snubnoze

    Snubnoze Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2015 California

    I really don't have issues with calling the beer a Kölsch, provided it actually tastes like one. Seems like a lot of bastardized interpretations out there, while a true Kölsch is hard to find. Just my experiences.
     
  11. Snubnoze

    Snubnoze Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2015 California

    That's not an equivalent comparison. Individual vs style. The style would be "Dutch Post Impressionist"
     
  12. kerry4porters

    kerry4porters Maven (1,495) Dec 31, 2012 Arizona

  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    My suspicion is that this problem varies by region. SEPA and PA in general have a strong heritage of German brewers and beer drinkers (the first lager brewed in the US is said to have been brewed in Philadelphia). So the Kolsch style beers we have available to us here tend to be reasonaly close to what is found in Koln. The biggest problem in this are is that of freshness which I personally think is particularly critical with Kolsch style. More than a few weeks in the bottle and I find it begins to lose some of the subtle complexity I enjoy.
     
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  14. kerry4porters

    kerry4porters Maven (1,495) Dec 31, 2012 Arizona

  15. Lash_LaRue

    Lash_LaRue Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2016 Virginia

    Ok, guilty as charged, I suppose...

    But I have a point. Every single "top rated" beer on here has to be either an Imperial IPA or Stout. Although I understand that most beers of this style are, by dint of economics, going to have a lot more going for them than an industrially-brewed example from BMC, this is on the face of it ridiculous (to me).

    I don't suppose I'm going to win any friends from the world of "add hop additions and malt sugars until you completely overwhelm your palate" crowd... Guess there's no accounting for taste.

     
  16. Lash_LaRue

    Lash_LaRue Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2016 Virginia

    Excellent point. Perhaps I was unduly harsh in my initial judgment. If memory serves me correctly, the Schlafly that I had was extremely cloying and drying, muddy, rubbery/sulphuric. Kind of more lemon pith than lemon zest. Actually, given that assessment, I almost wonder if it hadn't been cold conditioned long enough...

     
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  17. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I cringe when I see an old one or one that isn't stored properly or see one at this time of the year.
     
  18. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I immediately went out and contradicted myself and am now quaffing Metropolitan Krankshaft.
     
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  19. scott451

    scott451 Pooh-Bah (2,694) Apr 2, 2009 Canada (ON)
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    I have to agree. Lug tread is very good. If you can find it, be sure to give it a try.
     
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  20. Sir_Whats-his-face

    Sir_Whats-his-face Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2015 Oregon

    Why is it ridiculous that there are so many highly rated stouts and IPAs? What's ridiculous to me is how much this matters to you.

    My point had little to do with your disdain for stouts and IPAs, but rather because you are just so upset about how many people like beers you don't, so much so that you felt the need to respond to me two weeks after I posted my response. Like, it's just a forum about beer, man. If you want to enjoy nothing but kolschs, you still can. People preferring those styles doesn't affect you in any significant way.
     
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