Explaining bottle share to newbies

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by mxzebrax, Jan 6, 2016.

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  1. mxzebrax

    mxzebrax Crusader (444) Jun 20, 2015 Oregon
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    Thanks again everyone- I just hope it's clear that the intent and spirit of this thread was to ensure a good experience for everyone attending the bottle share. As a birdwatcher as well, I've seen my fair share of elitism within that group (believe me- ornithologists can be scary), so really I'm just trying to make sure the bottle share is all inclusive and comfortable for everyone.

    And maybe "important" wasn't the right word, but it's what I came up with to explain beers that many of us would seek out. And I think I disagree that a beer can't be "important". To many of us, myself included the "important" beers are what get us on BeerAdvocate, get us trading, and eventually get us looking for more quality beer.
     
  2. Mantooth

    Mantooth Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2011 North Carolina

    You must be part of the Rock Hill share group?
     
  3. DVMin98

    DVMin98 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,125) Nov 1, 2010 North Carolina
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    Nah, the Salud group. We just tend to hover a lot down in Waxhaw
     
  4. DVMin98

    DVMin98 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,125) Nov 1, 2010 North Carolina
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    And I meant share 'with us Wes' not 'without Wes' lol...sorry about the typo!
     
  5. Mantooth

    Mantooth Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2011 North Carolina

    Yeah - it was the typo that got me wondering - "who the hell is this guy?" Love to be part of a Waxhaw share - drop me a line!
     
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  6. balmand

    balmand Devotee (323) Oct 18, 2015 New Jersey

    I'm inclined to lean more towards the belief that there's nothing wrong with shelf beer with the caveat of sharing the "rare" beers with people who will be able to appreciate the effort it takes to obtain them sometimes. For example, I was absolutely floored when someone showed up unannounced to a buddies house with a can of Heady once and I know I'd want to feel just as appreciated if I had done the same.
     
  7. Dravin

    Dravin Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2014 Indiana

    Since you say you've tried to explain in simple terms of bringing beer to share I'm assuming they responded to your explanation, what are their responses? They'd be helpful in knowing just what is throwing them off balance about the whole idea.
     
  8. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    You may be overthinking this.
     
  9. Ext

    Ext Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2012 District of Columbia

    Totally with you on this one, brother.

    I was once at bottle share that included some Newbies, and saw someone take a sip of their 2 oz pour of Utopias, and then they immediately poured it down the sink to the horror of several of us. I you don't like a beer, that's okay, but to pour it out instead of giving it away to someone who can appreciate it was gut-wrenching...

    Whenever I go to a bottle share and I don't know exactly who all will be there, I bring a range of beers: good shelf beers, out-of-state stuff, harder to get stuff, special brewery release only stuff, and some lower tier whales. I open up what's appropriate for the people I'm drinking with, and usually open up something that's one tier up so I can introduce people to some of the "better" or "rarer stuff" that they normally couldn't get.
     
  10. macewank

    macewank Zealot (666) Aug 28, 2010 Illinois

    Bottle shares should be about sharing beer. Period. If it's shelf? That's great. If I like it, I can go buy some. If it's rare? That's also great. I got the chance to try something I would not have otherwise been able to.

    If you want a narrowed share, you need to narrow the audience. Sounds to me like the folks you want to invite aren't your target audience.
     
  11. Beerbom

    Beerbom Pooh-Bah (1,750) Dec 20, 2014 California
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    So I say this having never attended an actual bottle share. I share practically 75-80% of my beers with my two buddies who don't trade and really don't drink much bought outside of the local grocery stores and an occasional liquor store. I guess I would be a bit disappointed if I went to a bottle share and found the vast majority of beers there were shelf beer especially when I know that I would certainly bring something along the more rare spectrum of beers to share. My expectations would be that others would be bringing more rare, difficult to obtain beers to share, as I would. I know better than to bring a true whale until I really know who the crowd is that I'm sharing it with. I guess like many things in life you need to understand the crowd you're dealing with. I like Gopens44's analogy with the Mickey Mantle baseball card though. I really like DaverCS's idea to ask that people bring beers that rate 90 or higher on BA though for sure….this is brilliant and I think would solve a lot of problems and eliminate a lot of concern for more avid collectors/attendees. DaverCS's comment is congruent with Mantooth's and I agree with him when he says that "when I pop a mega-rare brew, I'd like the folks I'm opening it for to understand the importance of it".

    I do think you guys are being a little harsh on the OP when he says about "why these beers are important". His point is well taken (by me anyway)…certain beers have more relevance than others. Zombie Dust, Heady and SOS are strongly sought after, highly rated, difficult to obtain beers therefore they are more, let's say, interesting or intriguing than say Lagunitas IPA or Alaskan Amber which are readily available EVERYWHERE. While I agree, the OP has a chance to educate many people by sharing great beers with people who aren't up on the latest and greatest, I don't think he should have to be the only guy showing up there with great beers to share.
     
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  12. macewank

    macewank Zealot (666) Aug 28, 2010 Illinois

    I think the easiest way to explain why this point of view isn't necessarily the right one to have is to simply say this:

    I can get Zombie Dust whenever I want where I live. I can't get Alaskan Amber where I live.

    Obviously that skews a bit when your share audience is all in the same area, but it kind of holds true even then. Availability and ability to obtain are both subjective. If you don't want to run the risk of someone attending who doesn't have access to the tier of beer you're looking, you need to curate the invite list.
     
  13. DVMin98

    DVMin98 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,125) Nov 1, 2010 North Carolina
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    The one thing I have learned when doing a share with people that have never been to a share...make sure you explain pour size. We had a share with about 10 guys and we had one of our friends that would take about a 6 ounce pour from a bomber, the first two we opened, which basically left 16 ounces between 9 other people.
     
  14. Ext

    Ext Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2012 District of Columbia

    OP's situation is a little different--it's not his party so it's not his list to curate.

    Would you advise him to still attend the bottle share and only bring shelf beers, so that if someone does brings a rare beer/whale he gets to enjoy the whale while offering nothing similar in return? Honest question--when you go to bottle shares with unknown or Newbie attendees, do you always bring rare/whales and happily accept only shelf pours in return?
     
  15. macewank

    macewank Zealot (666) Aug 28, 2010 Illinois

    Honestly? Bring bag with a couple of bottles. Crack what you end up feeling comfortable cracking.
     
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  16. Schmizer

    Schmizer Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2015 Wisconsin

    I bring an assortment of rarer bottles and awesome shelf beers when I'm not sure of my audience. But I'm an overplanner...lol. I like to have my bases covered.

    I was at a bottle share recently where one person brought a single 12oz bottle of CW BBBW. It was like gold to him and I took pleasure in him sharing it even though it wasn't a high end beer. To him it was and that was cool.
     
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  17. mxzebrax

    mxzebrax Crusader (444) Jun 20, 2015 Oregon
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    So, who wants to send me some Heady for this party?! I'm all out!

    I'll likely bring a Backwoods and Abrasive.
     
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  18. Ext

    Ext Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2012 District of Columbia

    Totally agree. Whenever I go to a bottle share and I don't know exactly who all will be there, I bring a range of beers: good shelf beers, out-of-state stuff, harder to get stuff, special brewery release only stuff, and some lower tier whales. I open up what's appropriate for the people I'm drinking with, and usually open up something that's one tier up so I can introduce people to some of the "better" or "rarer stuff" that they normally couldn't get.
     
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  19. Schmizer

    Schmizer Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2015 Wisconsin

    Exactly what I do.
     
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  20. CraigP83

    CraigP83 Initiate (0) Dec 19, 2014 Minnesota
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    Title needs to be changed to "Explaining bottle share to beer snobs"
     
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