homebrew help

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by roadk01, Jan 11, 2016.

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  1. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin


    Yes. Be ready to wait up to two days before you see vigorous action.

    It's extremely unusual for yeast to not ferment at all. Especially since you did a starter. Why your first try didn't work is difficult to explain given the information you provided.
     
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  2. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    I know I'm stumped. I can't think of anything I missed out on explaining but I am a rookie so i may have missed something that's important to you folks with experience. One thing I can think of is that I somehow contaminated my starter. I was carrying it all over the house and swishing it around. In order to allow air in I capped it with a an airlock plug but without anything in the plug hole so maybe bacteria entered through the hole?

    Here's a pic of my starter the night before I pitched.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-yaFc_1tcA1N21rdFBJM0VBU00/view?usp=sharing

    Thanks again for all the advice.
     
  3. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Bacteria doesn't prevent yeast from fermenting. Lack of wort aeration doesn't prevent yeast from fermenting.

    100% dead yeast prevents fermentation. Pitching into sub 55F wort prevents fermentation at a steady temperature.

    The people looking at this thread have collectively made thousands of beers. I'd be surprised if anyone here has pitched a starter and it didn't make beer.
     
  4. ChuckHardslab

    ChuckHardslab Maven (1,251) Jan 25, 2012 Texas

    Something else that may be an explanation is that you had your starter wort too hot when you initially pitched to make the starter. You may have offed the yeast right there.
     
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  5. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    He did say the starter was 72F. If it was above 125F at pitching then that killed the yeast.

    Did the starter make a bunch of foam on the surface?
     
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  6. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    I chilled the wort with a chiller to 72 degrees and pitched. I didn't notice a lot of foam on the surface, actually there is very little foam even now.
     
  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Brew_Betty's question was about your yeast starter. What were the conditions with it?
     
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  8. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    I created the starter between 67 and 72, it never got any colder. As I swirled it I would see air bubbles on top of the start that went away very quickly and that's it, no foaming to speak of at all.
     
  9. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    The last opportunity to point a finger that I can think of..... how fresh/old was your yeast?
     
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  10. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    I bought it online via Amazon, it was a Wyeast 1968 smack pack dated October 29th 2015.
     
  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I'm not familiar with the smack packs to know if that date is a 'packaged' date or a 'use by' date.

    It sounds like we've reached the point to just wait to see how your re-pitched yeast will do. I suggest that you also carefully 'rock & roll' the carboy to see if you can incorporate some air into the liquid.
     
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  12. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Thanks MG,
    I shook it up yesterday morning in an attempt to get it aerated, should I roll it around again?
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Wyeast uses a packaged on date. That smack pack is a little over 2 months old and it contained viable yeast since:

    "I pitched using Wyeast 1968 smack pack in a 1L starter. The smack pack had active yeast I'm assuming because the package expanded a few hours after breaking the nutrient pack inside."

    Cheers!
     
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  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you think you got the job done good yesterday, I wouldn't take a chance again of breaking that carboy.
     
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  15. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Well apparently I've been able to kill the yeast in some unknown fashion
    Thanks! I'll leave it alone and check it tomorrow. I'll keep you posted, and again thanks for all the help.
     
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  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Whatever you do, please stop adding yeast nutrient. It doesn't evaporate if it's not being used.

    If the original pitch was a dud, then yes, I would reset the panic clock over again after pitching more yeast. Good Luck...I don't see anything in this thread to suggest a reason for the first yeast pitch to have been dead. Hopefully the second pitch will be the charm.
     
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  17. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Thanks! panic clock has been reset....it's just beer...right? :slight_smile:
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What!?!:grimacing: This is your 'baby' here!!:astonished:

    No wait, your got it right it is just indeed beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  19. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    LOL!! I keep saying to myself, it's just beer, it's just beer helps keep me off the ledge and keeps my wife from thinking I'm nuts :slight_smile:
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I truly hope that collectively we can keep you "off the ledge" but in all honestly I do indeed appreciate your feelings here.

    I really wish I knew the specific answer here. It appears that the yeast you received was OK (the smack pack expanded) and everything you detailed about the starter appears OK as well. So, why would the yeast from your starter 'poop out'? The lack of aeration (oxygenation) was sub-optimum but that should not be a 'killer' here.

    Hopefully the introduction of dry yeast will be a savior here.

    I also wish I had the answer on how to better improve future batches here but that can't happen since I am stumped here.:confused:

    Cheers!
     
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