How many taps is too many?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by lateralusbeer, Jan 20, 2016.

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How many taps can a bar have where you as a consumer still feel confident that most/all are fresh?

  1. <10

  2. 10-24

  3. 25-40

  4. 40-60

  5. 60+

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  1. Strangestbrewer

    Strangestbrewer Crusader (477) Oct 17, 2014 Oregon

    My sweet spot is in the 20s. Anything over 50+ is too many in my view. All the people saying traffic matters I say: look at a place like Yard house. They've got like 100~ taps and solid traffic, but because the crowd that goes there might not be looking for that Belgian, super bitter IPA, or dark and heavy stout there are a lot of kegs that sit around for way to long.
     
  2. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    I've been to places with 10 taps that had old IPAs and I've been to places with 60+ that were great. It has nothing to do with the number of taps and everything to do with the ratio of traffic to taps, and management's commitment to keep lines cleaned.
     
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  3. RogelioRodriguez

    RogelioRodriguez Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2015 California

    The problem is too many taps and not enough diversity...Like pretty much every fancy tap room has more IPA's than anything else.
     
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  4. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    That is a great and pertinent question. The best places that I know clean their own lines. They allow no "politics" to interfere with their product selection and delivery.To rely on a vendor leaves some lines possibly uncleaned. Beer is a food product and should be carefully tended.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Why is that?

    Cheers!
     
  6. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    The bar says that they have someone to come clean the lines, and a guy that has just one tap has been assured that the line will be cleaned. Of course, it isn't. So, while it is his responsibility in the long run, he has been told that the lines will be cleaned. I've seen this on occasion and it can truly be a problem. So, an establishment is always best served to clean their own lines and and prevent petty behavior. Any place serving good draft beer should clean their own lines or have a reputable independent contractor perform the duties- signed and dated!
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    So, you are saying that some contractors are not reputable?

    Cheers!
     
  8. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    No, I'm saying that some distributors that claim that they will clean all lines do not do so. All independent line cleaners that I've encountered do a great job! I certainly did not mean to say anything negative about these enterprising new businesses. It is a great idea and service.
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Thank you for that clarification.

    When I read your statement of "To rely on a vendor leaves some lines possibly uncleaned." I thought that vendor = line cleaner. It would never have occurred to me that you meant wholesale distributor here.

    Cheers!
     
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  10. NealioATX

    NealioATX Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2015 Texas

    JFC. Posts like this make me wanna go all Bud Dwyer.
     
  11. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Sorry that it seemed unclear.
     
  12. JratBones

    JratBones Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2013 Massachusetts

    I never worry about the Freshness of beer if it's a well known beer bar. It depends more on how often the taps get cleaned. Some beers absolutely destroy lines. There are def a few in Boston that every beer taste like the previous 10 beers. It's like high school all over again if you get my drift.
     
  13. MikeWard

    MikeWard Grand Pooh-Bah (3,023) Sep 14, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    In my old pub days in England, as long as we could run the pumps in a session, a pint of each, from one end to the other, that was fine. So about 8.
     
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  14. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    5. One for each style.
     
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  15. Lurchus

    Lurchus Zealot (733) Jan 19, 2014 Germany

    In my experience, the best case is when there is only one beer served.
    :wink:
     
  16. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    There was a thread on this a year or so ago, and I was surprised to learn that in some states it's mandated that the distributors clean the lines. Here in WA, it's the responsibility of the establishment, and some self-clean, while others hire a tap cleaning service.
     
  17. sajaffe1

    sajaffe1 Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2013 Utah

    There are never too many taps as long as they can keep those lines clean
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I wonder how vigorously this is policed?

    Cheers!
     
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  19. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Your probably the exception, tap beer doesn't last forever and it's too easy for slow movers to hang around too long.
     
  20. barflybastard

    barflybastard Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Agree that it depends on the place. There are local places with 20ish taps that I know to avoid because they don't keep up with cleaning their lines, and I really don't think it'd matter if they only had ten--they'd still be gross.

    Always think about chains like Yard House when this question comes up--wonder how many of those beers just sit. Are they more likely to adhere to strict cleaning protocols because of corporate policies or less likely because: who cares? And the length of the lines, given that their kegs are on display a hundred plus feet from the taps.

    Supposed to be a new plan in downtown Pittsburgh opening this Spring and coming in at 100+ taps and I'm concerned about this for sure. I'm not hopeful.
     
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