What to expect from a 100% Brett Beer

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Lukass, Jan 21, 2016.

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  1. Budtall

    Budtall Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2015 California

    Forgot to add--really liked the Brett I've gotten out of dregs from Logsdon's Seizoen Bretta -- but then again, that is a mixed culture of Sachs and Brett ( and it has been changing each time I pitch, of course, as things get into a new proportions).
     
  2. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    FWIW, I sent an email to Jeppe at Evil Twin to confirm that it is in fact Brett C. in Femme Fatale variants. Haven't heard back yet.. may be a while. Someone on homebrewtalk chimed in on a thread stating that Brett C is the strain they use, but I just wanna be sure. Either way, whatever was on the bottom of that bottle is really taking off!
     
  3. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Email from Jeppe. That guy is quick!

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  4. Snubnoze

    Snubnoze Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2015 California

    Yup, I pitched everything into fresh wort in primary. The Mélange has a couple Sacc's in it, as well as whatever is in the dregs. Sacc was active in about 12 hours after pitch and is bubbling away right now.
     
  5. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Head space is only a major concern in barrels where the dry wood at the top becomes more porous. In an impermeable carboy having a gallon or two of empty space at the top just provides more opportunity for a bit of oxygen to get in when the airlock is removed, not something that is usually to blame for above-threshold acetic acid.

    Yep, dosing slurry into secondary is an interesting idea. Jester King talked about their experiences with "the last barrel filled" a bit in their Sour Hour appearance.
     
  6. Snubnoze

    Snubnoze Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2015 California

    Ya I may be overly concerned about oxygen. I seem to remember Jay talk about filling to the necks of carboys on The Sour Hour, but now I remember that was specific to 1 gallon carboys that were being stored for a long amount of time. Regardless, I have a couple empty 5 gal's destined for aging sour beer. I think I'm hooked now...
     
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  7. frothy_80

    frothy_80 Initiate (0) May 19, 2013 Missouri

    I've only done two 100% brett beers so far and both using brett brux. The first one was a wheat beer with raspberries, somewhat of a take on GI Lolita. After fermentation the beer was very clean tasting. I bottled this batch and tasted one after a month or so and diacetyl was grossly present, which I'm suspecting was caused from the refermentation in the bottle. After aging for another 2-3 months diacetyl is gone and has a good amount of the typical barnyard horse funk character. The second batch was an IPA. Again, after fermentation was complete this was a very clean beer. Decided to keg this one and very glad I did. Hardly any funk, a decent malt presence, and the dryness of the beer really let the hops shine.
     
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  8. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I'm planning on bottling this one, since it'll be a farmhouse rye I want it to develop some more in the bottle. I've heard that with primary brett fermentations, you should expect around 80-90% attenuation.. Does that mean that brett will behave like any normal sacch strain in the bottle, and that I should use the same amount of priming sugar that I would with any ale yeast?

    I'll ferment in primary for 4-5 weeks at least, and if my FG is roughly 1.009 (assuming OG was around 1.060) is it safe to bottle? Never worked with brett so I want to be sure.

    @OldSock I read on your blog about your first 100% brett brew back in 2007 that was bottled. Would you advise doing anything differently when bottling a brett beer?
     
  9. Doomsayer52

    Doomsayer52 Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2014 California

    I bottled my Peach Brett Blonde on Saturday, it smelled incredible. Peachy and funky with some tropical notes lingering. However, I took at reading and sampled a little bit (tasted), now I know this is before it's carbed but it still has me a bit worried.

    It tasted a bit like Chlorophenol, not overly so, but just a bit. I didn't use any type of chlorine treated water or sanitary equipment. Hopefully it just needs some time to go away? I've never had a beer with this flavor. Could it be a Brett issue?
     
  10. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I've heard that can go away with time, but I'm not 100% sure of that. I plan on using tap water treated with campden tabs, so hopefully I don't get any band-aid, or chlorophenol hints in mine. Perhaps someone else can weigh in on this, since this will be my first brett beer I don't have a lot of experience with off-flavors on the wild strains yet.
     
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  11. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    There is the potential for Brett to throw medicinal phenols on its own, but that is typically strain dependent.
     
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  12. Doomsayer52

    Doomsayer52 Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2014 California

    From my research I read that a few times as well. I've typically never picked up on the taste from Brett L or B before. We shall see in the next couple weeks!
     
  13. frothy_80

    frothy_80 Initiate (0) May 19, 2013 Missouri

    Using the same amount of priming sugar would be correct.

    Make absolutely sure fermentation is complete to avoid bottle bombs. Both of my batches the final gravity ended up at 1.000 even though the predicted FG was around 1.006-1.010. I think it took roughly 4-5 weeks for my batches to ferment out completely (consistent readings of 1.000).
     
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  14. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Thanks. Yea I'm expecting extremely high attenuation on this, so will probably wait until the gravity is super low to bottle. I've got plenty of thick German and Belgian bottles saved up for this batch as well, since high carbonation will be a given.
     
  15. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    As long as the gravity is stable, bottle as usual!
     
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  16. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Anyone ever use Amalgamation brett blend from The Yeast Bay? I just ordered a vial, which I plan to co-pitch with this starter of Brett C that I have going. I got impatient, so figured just purchasing a brett vial will help with the cell count, as opposed to building up dregs for months...
     
  17. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Just following up on this. Pitched both brett starters on Saturday into 5.5 gallons of 1.053 rye saison wort, put a ferm wrap around it and come Sunday morning it was a feeding frenzy, with a healthy looking head of krausen. Temp had gotten pretty high (around 84) so I took the ferm wrap off the carboy. It's chugging along in the high 70s now. This is my first time ever using brett, so needless to say I'm pumped. Airlock smells amazing!

    @OldSock @jbakajust1 @frothy_80 @Budtall @Doomsayer52 thanks for all your helpful answers, and talking me through the process
     
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  18. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    @jbakajust1 I'm calling you out on this one, just because I know you've done a lot of primary fermentations with brett only, and can probably answer my question best... but it's been a week and a half since brewing this, and I checked a sample with a refractometer last night and gravity is at 1.004. 92% attenuation – holy hell! Should I expect 100% attenuation with a brett-only beer? I'm currently keeping the ferm wrap on the carboy and it's been hovering around 79-80 degrees since I pitched the brett.

    I guess my reason for asking is, is it safe to bottle once F.G reaches 1.000, or should I expect a few more points to drop even after that? Will probably use a little lower than the normal amount of priming sugar just to be safe.
     
  19. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    That sounds about right. I have had my IPA go from 1.062 to 1.008 in less than a week, and it stayed there. I wouldn't expect 100% app att, but then you do have quite a few strains. I would keep it in the high 70s for another week or so and see what it does. 100% Brett acts much more like Sacc, so if it is in the mid 80% app att to mid 90% and not moving for 2 consecutive hydrometer readings every other day, then you should be good to go. It might not move any further from the 1.004, or it might, I haven't used there blends. I use a three strain blend in my Saison, starts at 1.039, and finishes at 1.004, and that is with 10% table sugar.
     
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  20. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Good to hear. Thanks man!
     
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