Anything seem wrong with this IPA extract recipe?

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  1. adamgnoth

    adamgnoth Initiate (0) Apr 2, 2012 Colorado

    As the thread title suggests, I'm looking for anyone with experience to check out my extract recipe and either tear it apart and make fun of me or tell me that it seems like it would make a decent hop forward IPA. I love the juicy/citrusy style IPAs. If you have any suggestions for hops I should switch out to achieve the more citrus style please comment!

    ABV = 6.81%
    OG = 1.067
    FG = 1.016
    IBUs = 78.33

    Grains and other things
    .50 items Camden Tablets (Na + Metabisulphite)
    Mash 60min
    .32oz PH 5.2 Stabilizer
    Mash 60min

    1lb 4oz - Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L
    Steep in mash 60mins
    1lb - Cara-Piles/Dextrine
    Steep in mash 60mins
    8oz - Caravienne Malt
    Steep in mash 60mins

    Extract
    8.25lbs of LME or 6.6lbs of DME
    Boil 60 min

    Hops
    1oz - Amarillo (15.44 IBU)
    Wort hop addition
    1oz - Warrior (28.73 IBU)
    Boil 60min
    .50oz - Hallertauer (3.59 IBU)
    Boil 60min
    .25oz - Magnum (6.73 IBU)
    Boil 60min
    .25oz - Tomahawk (6.73 IBU)
    Boil 60min
    .50oz - Centennial (5.38 IBU)
    Boil 30min
    .50oz - Crystal (2.97 IBU)
    Boil 30min
    .50oz - Simcoe (8.76 IBU)
    Boil 30min
    1 - Whirlfloc tablet
    Boil 15min
    3.55oz - grapefruit peel
    Boil 10min
    4oz - Amarillo
    Dry Hop 5 days
    2oz - Simcoe
    Dry hop 5 days

    Yeast
    1 pkg - American Ale / Wyeast Labs #1056


    Instructions
    Steep grains for 60mins at 155 degrees. Bring water up to 165 degrees prior to steeping grains
    Age in primary for 14 days at 67 degrees
    Age in bottles for 30 days at 65 degrees
     
  2. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    One thing that is particularly important to extract IPAs is that hop utilization allegedly declines in a concentrated boil, so your recipe is probably best if you do a full boil.

    The other thing is that this is a lot of crystal/cara malt for 5 gallon batch, which I'm guess is about the size of this. I would probably eliminate all at least 1.75 lbs of that. I'm sure others will differ in opinion on exactly how much or which to eliminate, specifically, but I think most will agree that 2.75 lbs is a lot for a 5 gallon IPA.
     
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  3. adamgnoth

    adamgnoth Initiate (0) Apr 2, 2012 Colorado

    What do you mean by concentrated boil vs. full boil? Yes, it is a 5 gallon batch.

    So what grains would you remove that equal 1.75lbs?
     
  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Concentrated boil would be something like boiling 2.5 gallons of liquid, cooling it, and diluting it with 2.5 gallons of water to a 5 gallon batch. Full boil would be something like (1) steeping your grains in 2-3 gallons of 150-160 degree water, (2) adding your extract along with about 3 gallons of water to bring the volume of to 6 gallons or so, (3) boiling for 60 minutes and topping off the final volume as necessary to get back to 5 gallons. See howtobrew.com for details, as it has been a while since I brewed an extract batch.

    I would probably use only the crystal 10 or a combination of crystal 10 and carapils. But I don't think there is anything wrong with the caramunich, either. You could try to keep all three but just lower the total amount, or you could use just one type. You'd make different beers, depending on what you did, but none would be bad, IMO.

    I'm sure others will chime in on with their opinion -- who can resist a thread on IPA recipes? Perhaps others will have better or different advice. I'm not the biggest hophead in this forum.
     
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  5. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Whoa! That's a lot of crystal!!! Unless you want a IPA to taste like candy that's too much. Best extract IPAs I've brewed had very little steeping grains. You don't need to replace the crystal with anything. The dme will provide the color, flavor and fermentable sugar needed. I would do 4ozs at most, if not zero. When using DME the beers always seem to come out darker than you would expect and adding crystal will only darken it and make it sweeter. If you want to keep other steeping go for it, but a lb of carapils also sounds high. Maybe just like 8 ozs. Been awhile since I did steeping grains so I could be wrong but yeah 1 lb sounds like a lot. Why do you need 1.75 lbs of steeping grains?

    3.5 ozs at first wort and 60 min? That shit will peel the enamel off your teeth. How do you do first wort when doing extract? Wouldn't that just be 60 min? Did you plug that recipe into a calculator to determine the Ibus? I wouldn't go above 1 oz. I prefer keeping my 60 minutes hops around .5 ozs and add most of my hops at 10 min to flameout so I get more flavor and aroma.

    Lastly, that's a complicated hop schedule. Like to do a 10 min hop addition and then the rest at flameout. I would do 3 at the most and keep them at either 15, 10, 5 and flameout. Pick all or just two.

    Lastly, use the mr. Malty yeast calculator because 1 packet of dry yeast might not cut for a 6%+ beer. You might need two

    Actually, last thing is why age the beer in a bottle for 30 days? I would do two weeks and let it sit in the fridge for a few days. 30 days at room temp will kill all the hop aroma and flavor you worked on and spent money on.
     
    #5 GetMeAnIPA, Jan 22, 2016
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2016
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    I did not look carefully at the hopping, but assumed some calculator was being used to estimate bitterness. I wasn't sure whether the calculator accounted for hop utilization in a concentrated wort or if it was a full boil.

    In my brewing, if I am trying to do something like first wort hopping, I just add to the ketlle as I am heating to a boil. That's what I would do if it were an extract batch. I don't think there is anything extra magically differnt about exposing the hops to the first runnings, then bring to a boil. FWH is so sketchy to begin with, I'd be surprised if there is a difference here.
     
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  7. Capt_Quint

    Capt_Quint Pundit (762) May 29, 2015 Massachusetts
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    As others have said, cut down on the crystal (I recently did a 3 gallon extract IPA that had something like half a pound of C20, I'll have to check my notes later) and do a full boil if you can. Also, don't add all the extract at once. I generally add about a third at the beginning of the boil and then 2/3 right about 15 minutes. This will help with the color, prevent the extract from becoming caramelized and will help with your hop utilization.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    As others have stated, cut back on the amount of crystal malt.

    The hopping schedule is very complicated, needlessly so IMO. @GetMeAnIPA has some good thoughts on simplifying the hop schedule.

    Nix the ".32oz PH 5.2 Stabilizer". It is not needed for steeping crystal malt. Also, crystal malt only needs to be steeped for about 30 minutes. A further comment on 5.2 Stabilizer, it does not work for mashing either, it is an unneeded product.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    Ditch the 5.2, you don't need it for extract brewing and it doesn't work for all grain brewing.

    Way too much caramel malts, drop the carapils and caravienne completely, reduce the C10 to at most 1 pound, but closer to 1/2 pound would probably be better.

    Ditch the FWH and shift the Amarillo to late in the boil, don't bother with the Hallertau or Magnum. So, 1oz Warrior at 60 and everything else 20 mins or less. That is a shit ton of dryhops.
     
  10. adamgnoth

    adamgnoth Initiate (0) Apr 2, 2012 Colorado

    Thanks everyone for the feedback. I had found an all-grain recipe for a Ballast Point Grapefruit Sculpin clone and this was my attempt at converting it to extract. I had read that the rule for grains was to multiply the heavy load by .75 and that should be your amount of LME.

    As for the hops, I did use an online IBU calculator but basically kept the time addition and type of hops the same.

    So I'd say all in all I failed and this would have turned out terrible, but now has a good thriving shot at being tasty based on your feed back. I'll rewrite the recipe and post it in here later today.
     
  11. adamgnoth

    adamgnoth Initiate (0) Apr 2, 2012 Colorado

    Below is the updated recipe. Here are a few final questions:
    Are the Campden tablets necessary? It was on the original recipe, but not sure if it's needed for an IPA extract brew
    As no one commented negatively on the 8.25lbs of LME I'm assuming that amount is fine.
    I reduced the dry hop amounts and added .5oz Amarillo towards end of boil.
    I removed the grapefruit peel

    My goal for this would be a citrusy/juicy style IPA with as much a yellow/golden body as possible.

    Grains and other things
    .50 items Camden Tablets (Na + Metabisulphite)
    Mash 60min
    .5lbs - Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L
    Steep in mash 60mins

    Extract
    8.25lbs of LME or 6.6lbs of DME
    Boil 60 min

    Hops
    1oz - Warrior (28.73 IBU)
    Boil 60min
    .50oz - Centennial (5.38 IBU)
    Boil 20min
    .50oz - Crystal (2.97 IBU)
    Boil 10min
    .50oz - Simcoe (8.76 IBU)
    Boil 5min
    .50oz – Amarillo
    Boil 5min
    1 - Whirlfloc tablet
    Boil 15min
    2oz - Amarillo
    Dry Hop 5 days
    1oz - Simcoe
    Dry hop 5 days

    Yeast
    1 pkg - American Ale / Wyeast Labs #1056


    Instructions
    Steep grains for 60mins at 155 degrees. Bring water up to 165 degrees prior to steeping grains
    Age in primary for 14 days at 67 degrees
    Age in bottles for 14 days at 65 degrees
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    "1 pkg - American Ale / Wyeast Labs #1056"

    I am assuming that you intend to make a starter since this is a high gravity beer (1.067). What size starter will you be making?

    Cheers!
     
  13. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Personally I would add at least another ounce of hops either at the end of the boil or with 5 minutes left. I think you'll be disappointed in the level of juiciness if you do not add more near the end of the boil.

    If the water you will be using has chlorine or chloramine in it (and most tap water does), then yes the campden tablets are necessary. You can skip them if you will be using distilled/RO/bottled spring water. Charcoal filtering is another option, but campden is safer

    It will probably be a little on the "small" size for an IPA now that the crystal malts have been removed. Feel free to add another lb or two of DME to compensate if you're looking for something in the 6.8% abv range
     
  14. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    My hop schedule suggestion-

    nothing at 60
    2oz Centennial at 15
    2oz Amarillo at 10
    3oz Simcoe at 5

    ~79ibu, but it should taste more like 50ibu in terms of bitterness and have a lot of citrus hop flavor.

    Since you are using extract, you can do a 30 minute boil with this hop schedule. Hopefully, you can do a full volume boil.
     
  15. adamgnoth

    adamgnoth Initiate (0) Apr 2, 2012 Colorado

    Are you suggesting going with DME instead of LME or for either should the weight be increased? Should I also use "extra light" DME or LME if I want to keep the body yellow/golden?
     
  16. adamgnoth

    adamgnoth Initiate (0) Apr 2, 2012 Colorado

    Any suggestions for the dry hop portion or does that seem pretty well laid out as-is?
     
  17. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    The dry hop looks ok to me unless you want to be able to smell it from across the room. I'd go with 2oz each of Amarillo and Simcoe for 5 days. Double that, if you want to smell it from across the room.
     
  18. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    I've never used Camden tablets for beer you've got my interest anyone know what that's about?
     
  19. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    Never mind just saw the answer above
     
  20. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    DME is my preference of the two as it stays fresh longer, but either will work fine if you are purchasing your ingredients from a shop that moves through plenty of extract. It looks like 8.25 lbs of LME contributes a little more than 6.6 lb of DME, but a little more LME wouldn't hurt if you go that route.

    As for pilsen/extra light vs gold/light DME, neither will be darker than the golden color you're looking for. If you're doing a partial volume boil (i.e. you top up to the total volume at the end) I'd recommend the extra light. Regular light or gold extract should be fine if not.
     
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