Blind Gueuze Tasting

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  1. Coldstorage

    Coldstorage Initiate (0) Oct 1, 2014 California

    Thanks a lot for sharing. Good stuff.
     
  2. sjccmd

    sjccmd Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2008 Minnesota

    Really well done! One of the better/more thorough gueuze tastings I've seen. I share your opinion on the Hanssens. They've always leaned more acetic than I care for, but the 2015 is great. I had a 2014 within a couple days of the 2015, and the 2014 was definitely more acetic (with the variable of age, of course, but still). I'm also an Oud Beersel fan.

    Batch variation is always a thing to consider (with this style especially), but in my experience, the best bottles of Cantillon have been amazing, the worst heading towards undrinkable. 3F at it's best is equally (if not more so) amazing, but at it's worst is still perfectly pleasant, perhaps if anything just a tad boring.
     
  3. AndrewK

    AndrewK Savant (1,123) Oct 20, 2006 California

    Glad to hear that the De Troch faired so well. Their Oude Gueuze is now getting distro across the U.S. (2014 just hit CA at the end of last year).
     
  4. djs467

    djs467 Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2011 Colorado

    Great write-up and great lineup!
    I've done a few blind Gueuze tastings before, not to this level, and I find that Drie Fonteinen always comes out on top, even with people not familiar with the style. The 3F golden blend is top notch and the best Gueuze (maybe overall beer?) I've had in the last year or so, just a tab on the expensive side though.
     
  5. captaincoffee

    captaincoffee Pooh-Bah (2,218) Jul 10, 2011 Virginia
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    I can't imagine how anyone's taste buds could accurately taste 18 beers...let along gueuze. After just 4 or 5, I would think your ability to taste would fall off very quickly. The acidity just overwhelms the palate after a couple glasses. Were these really small samples?
     
  6. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    I love posts like these. Thanks for putting in the effort and sharing. Not sure how relevant it will be to my future drinking pursuits, but I always find these sorts of posts informative and fascinating to read.

    Speaking of fascinating, the most intriguing thing to me was reading about the Lou Pepe as divisive. I've never done a blind tasting, so take this for what you will, but I personally prefer the standard Cantillon gueuze to the Lou Pepe version. LP seemed "mild", for lack of a better term. I expected more complexity and depth of flavor, but it never really materialized. Don't get me wrong--it's, by nature, a complex, flavorful beer, but not particularly moreso than the regular gueuze. And especially not enough to be worth the considerable price increase. It's entirely possible that I simply prefer my gueuze fairly young.

    Tilquin is an interesting case study, because unlike 3F and Cantillon, they don't ferment/brew their own beer. They purchase and blend it, if I understand correctly. I'm sure there are others within your tasting list that do the same, but I'm aware of that fact for Tilquin in part because they use Cantillon lambic in their blends.

    My primary issue with Hanssons has always been inconsistency. I've had some bottles (and I'm talking about across their portfolio, not just the gueuze) that were amazing and others that I didn't want to finish. I've wanted to come back to them many a time, but I'm loathe to throw $12 at a single beer that I may not want to finish. But I agree--even the good ones have that vinegar quality to them. Which I like in the right amount.

    Lastly, I think I may no longer be terribly interested in finding a DDG. I think I'm grateful ;-)
     
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  7. PerHops

    PerHops Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2011 California

    Thanks for the recap! Fun stuff!

    No shocker that Golden blend took the prize. I think the latest batch is one of best gueuze I've tried. A+
     
  8. errantnight

    errantnight Pooh-Bah (2,015) Jul 7, 2005 District of Columbia
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    Give it a try sometime...

    They were 1-2oz pours. The acidity was all over the map. As I said before, I felt I struggled with this a lot more at a previous blind gueuze tasting where there were more beers from the same blenders/brewers in the same flights, more beers in the same flight, and more commonality of age. That definitely made it harder. I really didn't feel like the beers felt muddled on my palate at all.
     
  9. JD_Bogerdy

    JD_Bogerdy Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2013 Florida

    Armand is a blender as well
     
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  10. errantnight

    errantnight Pooh-Bah (2,015) Jul 7, 2005 District of Columbia
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    Lou Pepe Gueuze I have consistently found to be mild, but complex, with a fantastic nose. It's "just" 2 yr old lambic with added sugar, so I find it needs some age on it to build funk and complexity. This is the only bottle I've ever had that I felt had off notes and simply wasn't particularly good. I tend to agree, though, that I find the Classic/Bio Gueuze to be more consistently excellent.

    Hanssens and Oud Beersel (De Cam, too) are, similar to Tilquin, blenderies.

    I haven't had much look with DDG, but I've heard (from people I trust) there's a lot of bottle variation, and some are clearly better than others.
     
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  11. AndrewK

    AndrewK Savant (1,123) Oct 20, 2006 California

    They rebuilt their brewery back in 2013, so most of their lambic is once again their own. Don't know if they are brewing all of what is going into their barrels, but I'd imagine that at this point it is at least most of it.
     
  12. errantnight

    errantnight Pooh-Bah (2,015) Jul 7, 2005 District of Columbia
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    Yeah, I'm excited if follow-up tastings confirm how good this was. However, I've had mixed-success with great first tastings of under-hyped gueuze.

    I've found Oud Beersel to be consistently excellent, Cuvee Renee to have a lot of variation (although rarely bad, but often kinda bland), and Boon to be very good. On the other hand, I really enjoyed early tastes of St. Louis and Timmermans only to have been repeatedly let down, since, to the point that I basically avoid them.
     
  13. errantnight

    errantnight Pooh-Bah (2,015) Jul 7, 2005 District of Columbia
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    I know their lambic is now part of the blend again, but I haven't heard anything that their lambic is now "most" of the blend, or even that it ever was most, even when they were brewing. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just be curious to hear from someone closer to the source before spreading that around as gospel.
     
  14. errantnight

    errantnight Pooh-Bah (2,015) Jul 7, 2005 District of Columbia
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    For sure. There are so many variables, from storage conditions, to personal tastes, to the influence of the crowd, to people thinking they knowing (or really knowing) what a beer is, to time of day, etc. etc. that I wouldn't consider this as anything other than "interesting!" on the scale of nonsense to scientifically accurate.
     
  15. AndrewK

    AndrewK Savant (1,123) Oct 20, 2006 California

    Keep a look out for their Oude Kriek, which just landed in the US. Only 250 cases made it stateside, it is the first Oude Kriek they have made in 30 years.
     
  16. AndrewK

    AndrewK Savant (1,123) Oct 20, 2006 California

    I was always under the impression that their own lambic made up the majority of their blend, but I have never gotten any concrete info on it. I guess "most" was probably an overstatement.
     
  17. errantnight

    errantnight Pooh-Bah (2,015) Jul 7, 2005 District of Columbia
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    thanks for the heads up! I most definitely will.
     
  18. errantnight

    errantnight Pooh-Bah (2,015) Jul 7, 2005 District of Columbia
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    Who knows! Not I, I'm just curious to know "for sure" as I'm sure somebody out there probably knows. Maybe I'll do some Googling later.
     
  19. errantnight

    errantnight Pooh-Bah (2,015) Jul 7, 2005 District of Columbia
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  20. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    This is excellent, thanks for sharing.

    So I've had Lindemann's, Boon and Tilquin as we've found on store shelves and I loved them all. What is the means to acquire Drie Fonteinen? Do they sell in US? Not sure I've seen these stateside, unless the name just doesn't ring a bell. Cantillon I know is nearly impossible to find stateside anywhere unless you go to an exclusive craft bar and pay big bucks.

     
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