Is draft a deal breaker?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by JDW4195, Jan 27, 2016.

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  1. SD-Alefan

    SD-Alefan Initiate (0) Dec 12, 2013 South Dakota

    Virtually always draft at a bar. I've been to a couple of restaurants that do a phenomenal job with their bottle/can selection and will happily enjoy their offerings.
     
  2. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    If that happens ask for a wine glass.
     
  3. chcfan

    chcfan Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2008 California

    Difference being you can't buy a glass of beer at a store...at least in some states like California. Other than that point, we're in agreement.
     
  4. vurt

    vurt Grand Pooh-Bah (4,504) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon
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    Having followed your CAN quest for a while now, I'm surprised you wouldn't give it a name that has the word "CAN" in it.

    The CANtina? CANnery Row?
     
  5. DrRambis

    DrRambis Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2014 New Jersey

    Fair enough...although such a bar is an outlier it does disprove my point.
     
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  6. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe if we open a seCANed loCANtion.
     
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  7. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I know the places that I frequent. Most have great fresh draft selections. Sometimes I go to different places and drink a bottle or some wine. Any of this is no problem for me.
     
  8. JDW4195

    JDW4195 Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2014 Florida

    I've seen a lot of people comparing "mark-up" prices with keg and bottle. Keeping this as simple as possible, and leaving out as many variables as possible...one thing I'd like to point out for consideration, is that a bar pays a higher price for bottles than a bottle shop does. Of course, the bottom line is the dent in your wallet. Kegs are marked up like a mother' too, so take that for what it's worth. In the original post I meant the phrase "restaurant/bar" to be meant as a restaurant having a bar...not restaurant or bar. I am of the persuasion that a bar, strictly a bar, should have at least a couple taps. Great feedback so far, however.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I did not know that. Is this true for every state or is this a Florida thing? Why do bars pay more?

    Cheers!
     
  10. meb3476

    meb3476 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2013 Massachusetts

    Huge! At least the places I've gone mark up on bottles is crazy.
     
  11. HopfenUndMalzGottErhalts

    HopfenUndMalzGottErhalts Zealot (643) Dec 25, 2015 Arizona

    I've had a few bad experiences with bad draft beer, some of it from bad lines from the keg to tap, and/or some from kegs that haven't sold well. I avoid places with more than 6 taps unless I know the draft beer is fresh. There is no need to order a bottle of beer in a restaurant or bar in most cases.
     
  12. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    It might differ from state to state, but as I understand it, many states have laws that wholesalers must offer their products to all licensees, regardless of on- or off-premise (or combined), for the same price and offer the same quantity discounts to all.
     
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  13. jhavs

    jhavs Grand Pooh-Bah (3,587) Apr 16, 2015 New York
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    I would want draft options. Many of the brews I seek are draft/growler only or mainly. So its the best option to try them.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    JK, I know the owners/beer buyers of several PA bars/restaurants and they obtain their beer from wholesale distributors. I assume the pricing structure is the same but I really don't know for a fact.

    Cheers!
     
  15. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    In North Carolina it is illegal to charge different prices for the same product to various customers (on the same day) - on-premise, retail, etc. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but the law is on the books. Monday delivery usually suffices for special pricing.
     
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  16. bkbeerdude15

    bkbeerdude15 Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2015 New York

    There would be no reason to go to the bar/restaurant and pay the associated markup. If I want top quality bottle selections, I'm going to the bottle shop instead.
     
  17. JDW4195

    JDW4195 Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2014 Florida

    I can't speak factually to other states other than Florida. Here's what I do know, for a fact, to hopefully answer both of your questions. A wholeseller (aka Distributor) is lawfully obligated to sell to each and every retailer (aka Bottle Shop, or Bar) at the same price points per the "retailers license". The license that retailer holds is the important part. On-premise(bottle shop,grocery store, etc..) gets charged a lower price point than an Off-premise license holder (bar, restaurant, etc...) Why? I haven't the slightest. My best guess would be volume. Long story short, it's not always the case that a bar is gouging the customer for a bottle of beer. They just paid more for it.
     
  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    You've got that reversed :wink::

    Bars/restaurant = On Premise
    Liquor/grocery stores selling packaged goods = Off Premise.​

    Yeah, interesting. Looks like Florida law allows a distributor to charge different prices for a variety of reasons, one of which is license type, as long as the price is registered with the state.
    But I'd think it's safe to say, in regard to the question posed in this thread, that that is somewhat unusual but the 50+1 sets of alcoholic beverage laws in the US is always gonna make trouble in these sorts of threads. It would be interesting to find out what the difference in price is.
     
  19. JDW4195

    JDW4195 Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2014 Florida

     
  20. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    If they are an establishment here in NC they can't legally serve any beer not distributed that I could not purchase myself. There's little chance I would walk in and they have bottles of Pliny on sale as an example. So I would also opt for draft beer, if the beer is good those pony kegs don't last long enough to go bad. I'm just careful with slow moving beer from a place with 120 taps. Besides I've always like sitting relaxing and having a few beers on tap, always have even when I was 16 and most places back home served Bud or Schaefer, that was it.
     
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