Bad brew day porter style .

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  1. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    Yesterday I was brewing a founders clone and had some problems. This was my 6th all grain brew session and my first in 6 months. I did a 10 gallon batch and mashed in on target at 155 using 4.31 gallons of water. I have my LHBS double crush my grains.When I started to vorlouf I noticed it was really slow at first so I shut the valve and tried again and it was fine. I drained the first runnings and something was wrong, I only got 1.5 gallons and the grain bed was very thick. I should have had 2.5 according to beersmith, after the batch sparge I had 6.5 gallons of wart when I should have had 8.0. I need to know if I should have added 1.5 gallons of warm water to top of the wort and bring it up to the 8.0 gallons?

    So now the fun started, I developed a very small boil over(first time with the new blichman burner)and once I got that settled down I noticed my hop spider wouldn't hit the top of the wort so I threw the pellets in the boil. This was the first time I did this with my SS brewtech 15 gallon kettle. The boil time called for 75 minutes and after that time I only had 3.5 gallons of wort??

    I hooked up my Shirron plate chiller and I use a gravity fed system for this. I developed some sort of vacuum problem? I couldn't get the wort out of the kettle, and if I took the hose off from the brew kettle I could draw wort but once I re hooked the hose nothing! I noticed some small hop particles and wondered if the chiller line was clogged?

    So I ended up dumping the wort and grabbing a KBS and started cleaning. So now I am trying to figure this out and move forward
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Probably a stuck sparge.

    Probably clogged chiller.

    Sounds like you have some top tier equipment...but it's only as good as it's weakest link...for that brew day from hell, the KBS was probably a good idea. :slight_smile:
     
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  3. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I have a couple questions:

    1. What setting are you using in Beersmith for your brew set-up?
    2. What was your grain/water ratio?

    I ask because a KBS clone recipe for 10 gallons seems like the mash should have more than 4.31 gallons of water...like double.

    The other issues, I agree with @GreenKrusty101
     
  4. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    You don't say how many pounds of grain for your recipe, but your infusion water seems really low. I'm usually between 7 and 8 gallons for a 10 gallon batch.
     
  5. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    I was doing a Founders Porter clone

    1. ?
    2. 13.9 pounds of grain and 8.46 gallons

    Strike water was 4.31 gallons and batch water called for 4.15

    I use a 67 percent efficiency setting
     
  6. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I meant to write Porter, but was thinking KBS (brainfart).

    Your grain and water amounts are for a 5 gallon batch.

    Beersmith has several built-in brewing equipment, and batch size, categories. You appear to be using one for 5 gallon batches.
     
  7. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    How are you getting 8 gallons of wort from 8.46 gallons of water? Your actual extraction seems in line with what you actually got and is more appropriate to a 5 gallon batch.

    Is your plan to top off with water and malt extract? No other way to get 10 gallons of beer from this. For a 10 gallon batch of Founders Porter I would imagine I would need around 24 to 25 pounds of grain and 15 to 16 gallons of water.
     
  8. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    Yes is a 5 gallon batch and I set up my equipment profile in as well
     
  9. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    I can't disagree but when I put my grains etc with my equipment beersmith says I should have 8.01 gallons of wort before boil and 6.75 after for a 5 gallon batch
     
  10. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Pellets can easily clog a plate chiller if they aren't contained in a fine bag or basket. Double crushed grains produce more flour which is more likely to clog the lauter. The result is less wort in the kettle and more left behind in the tun.
     
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  11. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Double crushing grains, hop pellets and not enough water. In the future consider heating more sparge water than you need. Sometimes the best software is not spot on, , usually a good grain mill will crush the grains properly and you will use less water. My crush is a bit on the fine side and usually I need an additional .5 gallon of water.
     
  12. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    first time I ever had a stuck sparge or stuck plate chiller. I will take the advise and adjust. I still can't understand how I boiled off 3 gallons of wort in a 75 minute boil:slight_frown:
     
  13. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    You have me pretty lost. You first reference a 10 gallon batch than a 5 gallon?
     
  14. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    Sorry my bad, I didn't realize I wrote 10 gallon in my original post
     
  15. JordonHoltzman

    JordonHoltzman Initiate (0) Apr 9, 2009 New York

    just found this. So do you know of a reliable Founder's porter clone?
    Looking for a recipe
     
  16. MarkGP

    MarkGP Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2015 Rhode Island

    3 gallons is a lot for a 75 min boil. i boil pretty rapidly and lose a gallon per hour. In beersmith you need to set your mashtun dead space and loss to chiller. You can figure out the numbers with plain water. Start with a set amount, say 5 gallons, and measure after for your losses. HTH!
     
  17. StupidlyBrave

    StupidlyBrave Zealot (507) Jan 2, 2009 Pennsylvania

    I recommend starting a new thread in a case like this. Your subject (recipe request) is different than the op (unknown problems with process).

    The fact that the thread has been abandoned for many months will lead others to waste their time in replies. Some sites forbid this.
     
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