Solutions to bad water and high temps

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  1. etillett

    etillett Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2012 Massachusetts

    Hello homebrew gurus,

    I'm going to start my first brew day in the near future. I have a northern brewer deluxe kit with a stainless immersion chiller, test kit, and the Irish Red kit it comes with. I have access to a large propane burner and large pots so I'll be starting with full boils (unless someone says you n00b don't jump right into full boils).

    I have two problems holding up the operation. The first is my tap water fails the "if its good to drink its good to brew with" test. I was thinking about going to the store and buying some gallons of spring water. Is that water ok to brew with? I would assume there's some lack of nutrients in there or something I'm missing.

    The next problem is fermentation temperature. I know its a big deal, I've been researching homebrewing for some months (thanks to you people/books/blogs/etc). I live in MA and its still pretty hot here. I can wait out fall time for cooler temps but even then my apartments typical ambient temp would be 68-70F. With the active fermentation raising the wort temp above that, it seems too hot. I've heard about rubbermaid water/ice baths and might take that route. Any other ideas or just shut up and do it?

    Thanks for reading!
     
  2. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    A foil boil is the way to start for sure.

    Go ahead and buy store bought water that's what I have to do as my tap water sucks. Bottled water is usually just tap water from somewhere else so you'll be fine.

    Get a big Tupperware container and fill it with cold water and possibly some ice to keep adding and keep the temp down. Just set your fermenter in it and it will at least help keep it cooler.

    Feel free to BM or ask any other questions and I'll help with what I can.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Assuming you're brewing an extract kit (you probably are), spring water or even distilled or RO water would be fine, because the liquid and/or dry malt extract still contains all the minerals from the water in the mash that was conducted during its manufacture.
     
  4. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    There's a professionally made cooler for fermenters at www.cool-brewing.com
    It's expensive ($55) but less of a PITA than a swamp cooler setup.
    I've also heard you can get a cheap styrofoam cooler, fill with water and frozen water bottles, change out bottles.
    Personally I have a big fish cooler that I keep my fermenters in, just switch frozen bottles twice a day keeps it around 62.
    Or you can make saisons when it's hot which can ferment comfortably up to 90F.
     
  5. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    I would recommend using RO water from the supermarket. At about 35 cents a gallon it's cheaper than bottled springwater. As Vikeman said, mineral nutrients aren't an issue with extract brewing because they will already be present in the extract. And you don't want to have to worry about chlorine from your tap water.

    As for temperature, I would suggest doing whatever it takes to get the wort down to a low starting temp. For most ales, it's best to start in the 64-66F range and let it come up degrees as the fermentation takes off. This is because the initial "lag time" when nothing seems to be happening is the most crucial period for cell reproduction and the production of various esters that affect flavor. In most cases, lower temps are going to keep the production of off flavors to a minimum. The temperature at the end of the fermentation is less critical, though you still want to keep an eye on it. I'd suggest getting one of those rubbermaid tubs--they're cheap, and they're useful in all sorts of ways--and using an ice bath to get the temp down to ~65F. Measure this as carefully as you can, being sure to sanitize your thermometer if it comes in contact with the wort. If you pitch at that temp, you'll probably be fine letting it primary at your 68-70 ambient. But keep an eye on it, and if it goes above ~71, use the old wet t-shirt trick--ie, put a wet t-shirt over the carboy, and keep it damp. This will drop the temperature inside by a few degrees.

    Good luck!
     
  6. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    If you're trying to pull of a full boil for your first brew, you're ahead of the game. Good job on the burner, you'll need it to get 6 gal of wort to a boil. I hope your kettle is at least 6.5 (26qts). An hour boil for hops is usually about a gallon of water evaporated over 60 min. Anti foam drops/powder also don't hurt at all if you don't have a few extra gallons of extra space in your kettle.

    I've used a swamp cooler for years with great success. I can keep the ambient temp constant within 2F down to 60F. You just need about 4 or 5 frozen 2 liters. The emit cold pretty slowly and when in a large body of water you can get this down and it stays cool for 10 or 12 hours. Do you have an extra bath tub laying around? :slight_smile:
     
  7. etillett

    etillett Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2012 Massachusetts

    I appreciate all the input here. I never thought about when the most crucial time for temperature control was. Also knowing that extract will take care of the nutrients in the water will help me sleep better. Thanks everyone! Into the wild brew yonder...
     
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