"Imperial" Beers

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Relik, Mar 11, 2016.

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  1. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    No sir. but do you have any opinions on the 3 questions?
     
  2. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California


    1. A lot of them, but the ones I'd like to see the most are dunkelweizens ( I guess that's Aventinus, eh?), Kolsch, Munich Helles, Saisons, witbiers

    2. Same as 1 really

    3. No, see my previous comment about bocks. I also hate the "imperial" title and wish beers would just single, double, triple etc. Tripels really don't have anything to do with Belgian Blondes.
     
  3. -N8

    -N8 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2014 Germany

    The term Imperial immediately implies at least 27% more WOW!®

    What BA wouldn't pony up for that?
     
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  4. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    Thank you.
    But is a 9% wit or Hefe something you would enjoy?
    Aside from the ABV and maybe the yeast used( largely due to the tolerance for higher ABV) a Triple is just an amp'd up Blond Ale. But if you make a 9% beer that is more or less a Belgian Blond Ale that has a higher ABV and slightly more IBUs due to the sweetness. Is that Beer and Imperial Blond or a Triple?
     
  5. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    thanks for your imput :astonished:
     
  6. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California

    Yeah, it's called a Weizenbock. They're freaking amazing.

    No, a tripel has nothing to do with Belgian blondes aka Belgian pale ales. They're triple the malt of a Trappist "simple" beer which isn't all that popular anymore. They also use a huge portion of Belgian candy sugar to achieve their ABV.

    A huge Belgian blonde/pale ale would be a Belgian Strong Pale Ale

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/style/55/
     
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  7. JD_Bogerdy

    JD_Bogerdy Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2013 Florida

    I Was referring to light as a shade, not in terms of calories....the answer is still no. A helles bock is its own style just like pale lager v dark lager. If anything it would be called a helles doppelbock. I Don't think enough people speak about either style enough for their titles to warrant much further discussion.
     
  8. hopnado

    hopnado Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2014 Michigan

    Looks like you have a set of predetermined "acceptable" answers to 3 stupid questions. Sounds like someone just wants to argue. Time to gravitate the f*ck outta this thread
     
  9. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    Actually no im engaging a discussion. one person makes a point then its countered by another or its agreed upon. but feel free to leave and enjoy your night/day/morning/evening.
     
  10. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    No i took "light" as in ABV. Calories be damned we are talking about imperial beers. Im just using those 2 beers as examples because they are often in contrast colour wise.
    But cheers.
     
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  11. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    So say you triple the malt, the sugar(that is also used in Belgian Blond Ale), in the recipe from a belgian blond to produce a Triple? then aside from it being higher on the booze and maybe slightly higher on the IBU side is it safe to call a Triple an Imperial Blond?

    I know Weizenbocks are fantastic.

    I guess part of question 3 comes down to semantics. Would an Imperial American Wheat more or less be akin to a Wheat Wine? Would and Imperial American Brown Ale be the same as American Barelywine? When does placing Imperial on a Beer style begin to infringe on a predetermined Style?
     
  12. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California


    No, you've got it all wrong about the tripel. Why is this a hard concept? Go read up on the history of these styles, they aren't related. A tripel recipe has nothing to do with a Belgian Strong Pale Ale, which is what your "imperial belgian blonde" would be.

    Is Duvel the same thing as Chimay's tripel? Hell no. Different recipes, different history for their predecessors, different times in history that they were developed.

    It isn't safe to call it that.

    On part three, an imperial american pale wheat ale would NOT be a wheatwine. Again, ready more on these styles. You're on a decent site for reading about them!

    Barleywines have ZERO to do with brown ales. Barleywines more than likely come from English Strong Ales, but they're both quite old styles. I wouldn't call them a progression from english strong ales, but a descendant and cousin at the same time.

    I don't even know what you mean with that last sentence, too many variables to even consider answering that.

    All I'll say is, if it's a larger version of the same beer, it's not always called doubled or imperial because you can't just simply add more malt and have it be a bigger beer. Mashing schedules, hop additions, yeast used, fermentation temps, fermentation time all can change when trying to make a larger version of a beer.

    Beer styles are also both more distinct and less distinct than I think you are understanding at this point in time.
     
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  13. 1000lbgrizzly

    1000lbgrizzly Maven (1,497) Jul 16, 2013 Illinois

    I think only high gravity beers lend themselves to becoming Imperial (stout, DIPA, barleywine, bocks, quads, Strong Ales of any variety, Scottish Ales). You gotta balance that ethanol with something more equally big! [sic]

    Although Imperial Pilsners are a thing. A good, normal ABV pilsner is hard enough to encounter stateside, let along a roided version. :confused:
     
  14. -N8

    -N8 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2014 Germany

    not a problem, it's what i live for


    perhaps you're looking for an Imperial Olde English 800 - it's both BIG® and WOW!®
     
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  15. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    if you look at them style wise they have more in common than they do that is separating them.

    No Duvel is not the same as Chimey White. But Chimay White isn't like Victory's Golden Monkey or Gulden Draak. Much like Duvel is not the same as Val-Dieu Blond.

    I think you are mis-reading or maybe im not getting the point of my questions across in a way that is clearer. Take the example of the Double or Imperial American IPA at what point does it blur the lines with and American Barley Wine? Is that a better example?
     
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  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    1-to me, none

    2-none, I tend to gravitate the other way

    3-bock, not Belgian Blonde
     
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  17. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Well, I'd not pony up for that.
     
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  18. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    just to hold your feet to the fire @drtth. if you had to hypothetically speaking pick one or two styles.
     
  19. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    Maybe read beyond what the thread title is next time.
     
  20. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Kvass--almost any would be fine
    Low alcohol--preferably Clausthaler Amber
     
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