No love for Kolsch?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BourbonJersey, Jul 11, 2015.

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  1. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut

    Not just that. But yes im a hop fan.

    But i did like the kolsch yeast, makes for a very clean brew and a little fruity character.


    I wouldnt think so since a Pilsner is a lager and a kolsch is a Ale
     
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  2. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I beg of you man, just don't go there -- it's not worth the pain! :wink:
     
  3. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut

    No, pain. IPL vs IPA simple difference not meant for this thread.
     
  4. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Actually... (should I...)... aw, heck... here goes...

    Kölsch is warm-fermented (aka top fermented) like an ale, but it is lagered. (Speaking here of actual Kölsch, not mislabeled American blonde ale.)
     
  5. ecpho

    ecpho Savant (1,183) Mar 28, 2011 New York

    I was more rolling eyes at the need to IPA everything these days.
     
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  6. A_Frayed_Knot

    A_Frayed_Knot Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Virginia

    Champion's Killer Kolsch is available in cans here in Richmond. I was thinking now that temperatures are warming up, about going to find some.

    I am pretty sure it was a Kolsch I first enjoyed back when Weeping Radish in Nags Head NC served it among several beers made on-premises that I, at the time, was still unknowledgeable about, having mostly enjoyed Rolling Rock or if feeling daring enough, a Dos Equis. . . The bready yeast appeal of that Kolsch poured during a beach trip early 1990s was thoroughly gratifying.
     
  7. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Most don't get the chance and base their opinions on beers which aren't Kölsch at all.
     
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  8. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    We all know that's not responsible Beer Advocacy. Well, most of us know. :wink:
     
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  9. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Using a kolsch yeast to make something resembling an American IPA won't make the resulting beer a kolsch... and that's probably why you liked that beer even though you aren't a kolsch fan. Have you tried Barrier's Money (since you're in CT, it's possible that you are near places that get it)? I think that beer uses a kolsch yeast. I'd recommend it.
     
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  10. LetsGoExploring

    LetsGoExploring Pooh-Bah (1,550) Apr 25, 2006 Connecticut
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    Had Big Sprang from Trillium last night. Heavily dosed with Nelson Sauvin. Hazy, hoppy and high alcohol - Trillium nailed the style :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  11. Eagleyes

    Eagleyes Zealot (627) Aug 4, 2012 Missouri

    It's okay. I don't seek this style out though.
     
  12. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut

    Lagered only at the finishing stages of the brewing. sounds llike cold conditioning to me. .
     
  13. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut

    also sounds like to me you can not call Kolsch beers Lagers or ales, without mentioning them both. Lagered ale
     
  14. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Obergäriges Lagerbier. Top-fermenting Lagerbier in English.

    Apologies to those who know this info well, but once again for the uninitiated.

    Thanks Ron.
     
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  15. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    This again is what the BJCP says ;
    In Germany and other old world brewing centers, the terminology most typically used to differentiate beers is to refer to them as top-fermenting or bottom fermenting . Germans think of ale as a type of English
    beer, and lager as a method of conditioning beer. So Germans would typically speak of Kölsch as a top fermenting lager beer, not an ale.
    The person who decided to define beer by fermentation pattern or yeast type didn't know much about beer.
     
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  16. Derek_Besly

    Derek_Besly Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2014 Massachusetts

    harpoon summer is a pretty decent kolsch style
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That is simply not the case. That person knew a lot - yeast strain knowledge and brewing process knowledge.

    In many places (non-Germany) beers are characterized by the strain of the yeast used to produce the beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  18. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut


    Did you guys read this because @marquis i stated that.

    thanks for the "help" but with your last replies we are clearly on the same page here.
     
  19. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    You stated ale, as Marquis (and my link) points out, Germans would never call Kölsch an "ale." It's a Top-fermenting Lagerbier.
     
  20. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    That is knowledge about brewing rather than beer.But he didn't know about the distinction between ale and porter, the German non use of the term ale to describe top fermented beer or that lager is the result of process rather than ingredients.
    Germany defines lager thus ;
    1. - beer which has undergone lagering, i.e. a long period of cold storage where the temperature is gradually reduced to around 0º C.
    2. - a bottom-fermenting beer of around 12º Plato
     
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