What Makes a Kolsch a Kolsch?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by OldBrewer, May 20, 2016.

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  1. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I think those guidelines are not really followed too closely here in N. America. Kölsch-style is a very loose category, perhaps even worse than what constitutes a "Session" beer.
     
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  2. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Agree. The top-rated "Kölsch" on untappd are a "coffee Kölsch" and a 7.5% ABV "hoppy American Kölsch style."

    EDIT: looking further down the list, at least 3 of the top 10 contain coffee, with another containing lime and another being gin-barrel aged.
     
  3. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Unbelievable! And here I thought one of the key attributes of a Kolsch was that it was not hop-heavy and had no additives. Soon they'll be adding all sorts of hops to the Kolsch and call it a "Kolsch IPA"! Marketing!!
     
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  4. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Kölsch is top fermented, and can contain wheat malt in Germany.
     
  5. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Correct. But certainly not coffee, lime or Gin.
     
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  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Oh, I was thinking Geramany, you were thinking the US.

    They really should call those beers something different, as they are not a Kölsch.
     
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  7. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I couldn't agree more. But others obviously would not. Jack said it well that the beauty of homebrewing is that we create all these different hybrids, but without proper categories, it would be hard to communicate a specific taste or style.
     
  8. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    These days it's easier to determine the basic things common to all "best" U.S. beers (hop, fruit, coffee, and spirit-barrel flavors) than it is classic styles.
     
  9. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    "Classic styles" might soon be a thing of the past.
     
  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    My opinion has been formed from no visits to Germany and no consumption of beer imported from Koln. Rather, it was formed by what I consider one of the best beers I ever brewed. So to me, it takes Wyeast 2565, all pils, and a German Hallertau mittlefruh / tradition hop blend. FWIW, that was Weyermann, floor malted, double decocted, if you think those things matter.
     
  11. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    In my opinion, decoction makes a big difference, although I'm not sure that is traditonlly used in Kolsch-style beers. I have become a huge fan of using decoction methods in pilsner-like beers. Adding a little melanoidin is not quite the same. Can you provide more information on your recipe? Especially mash (step mash?) temperature(s), fermentation temperature, lagering temperature and length of time, etc.
     
  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I decided to decoct just because I wanted to play with that process. I opted for Weyermann floor malted Bohemian pils ecause it is advertised as slighty undermodified. My decoction was not traditional. I targeted the beta amylase range for dough in, 145F, using 1.6 qt per lb. I allowed the main mash to dough in at this temp for 60 min. I pulled 3.5 q thick mash for first decoction about midway into this and gradually raised the temp to a boil over 20 min, and boiled for 10 minutes or so. I added this to the main mash at 60 minutes, raising the temp to an alpha rest temp of 156. I allowed this to rest for 20 minutes and then pulled 4.5 qt thin decoction for mashout. I fermented in the lower half of the yeasts recommended range for 3 weeks, and kegged. I brewed at the end of winter and didn't tap into the beer until the late spring or early summer, so you could say it lagered 2-3 months, in the mid 30s
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Each brewery whether they be homebrewers or commercial brewers can use unique names for their beers. For example some breweries will just label their beers as something like Blonde Ales.

    Trying to obtain universal agreement among all people about a given beer and an associated beer style will never, ever happen.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    That's a lot of work for a Kolsch, but I'm sure the results must be worth it! I might try something similar.
     
  15. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I agree that universal agreement will never happen . But there does seem to be general agreement amongst many beer styles. There are just these few (Kolsch, Session, etc.) that still seem to be out in the far fringes in terms of some type of general agreement.
     
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  16. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Essential ingredients to any traditional Kolsch-style ale: pilsner malt and noble hops. Nothing else matters.
     
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  17. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I'm beginning to agree that these are perhaps the only two essentials left. Generally lower fermentation temperatures and/or lagering might also be a close third, in order to simulate the lager/pilsner taste more closely, although they don't seem to be absolutely essential.
     
  18. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Mr. Saison is flying pretty fast and loose with his rules too. :grinning:

    Kolsch=Moderately Hopped German Blonde Bier
     
  19. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I'm not a style **** but do have something against brewers calling a beer one style, Kolsch in this example, when it has few if any similarities to the style. Educated beer drinkers have an expectation when they see a beer called a "Kolsch". Just call it something else.

    I'm surprised so many here are downplaying the role played by yeast for brewing a Kolsch style beer. If you made a beer with 100% Pilsner malt, noble hops, and California ale yeast it would not taste like a Kolsch, IMO. The notes from the yeast are crucial to the style.
     
  20. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I would have thought so too, but I have tasted some Kolsch's made with other yeasts like S-05 and even Nottingham that still have that "Kolsch-like" pilsnerish flavor. These both used Pilsner malt, used German noble hops, were fermented at relatively low temperatures, and were lagered.
     
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