New Mexico Beer Guide 2016 updated

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  1. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Yeah, their price point for draft pours verse bottles is kinda perplexing. I just wish they would up their draft allocation so I can continue hitting them up this Spring & Summer and grab some more pours of it.

    I did see they have a French Saison queued up for a upcoming release. Unfortunately, for as much as I love saisons, I favor Belgian-style saisons and generally don't care for French style. I'll try it for sure, but not expecting much from it.
     
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  2. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    Bosques Mosaic Smash is something else. I think I've been through 100 ounces in 3 days. Lively fresh aromatics. Normal priced growlers. I am so off the bomber crap (and yes, I think I've seen the light on it). I'll even call out Bosque. Their smash series is pretty close to scale tipper, so something isn't adding up in the bigger picture.

    Any of yall doing any abq beer week stuff? Now is usually my time of hibernation from all that mess. Throw me a solid beer in good company and I don't need all the extra hassle and runaround or special tappings. Or even food pairings. I do think I'll wander into a place for the 505 collab. Other than that, special tappings seem to be a lot of out of state stuff. It's not even 6 years old but I think it's already turned into this big ol show.

    Can anyone compare abq beer week to other cities/regions?

    There was a mini burning can fest out in Santa Fe for their outdoor bike and beer fest. I heard it was a 3 beer limit on purchases of regularly available canned offerings from 3-4 breweries. I heard there was a mini beer garden at the abq brew dash downtown a weekend or two back. Pretty standard offerings.

    We've definitely reached a weird point in saturation vs. New fans for our city. I don't mind standard offerings but don't price gouge me. The snakes are out and everyone wants a piece. I enjoy a solid normal beer in good company, with one cavet, price it right please.
     
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  3. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico


    I'm looking forward to that Rye Kellerbier (the 505 collab). I'll likely skip most beer week events, mostly because I don't think there's anything that inspiring. Beer Premier would be fun but I'll be gone. Bourbon County tapping is enticing. Otherwise, I don't see anything so extraordinary as to even be called a beer week. Just seems like a bunch of random beer-related stuff cobbled together.

    For comparison, in Arizona and Alabama, I've seen collaboration beers get bottled, which I think is cool. In NYC for Queens Beer Week, various breweries were collaborating among one another and releasing special beers. Seattle and Washington state beer weeks had all types of beer releases, collab beers, and on and on.

    Bearfest seems pretty cool to me but that's not even an ABQ Beer Week event. haha.

    By the way, as much as the Beer Premier sounds cool, it seems like most breweries are just getting around to figuring out what they'll offer, which to my thinking they'll slap together a pale ale or an IPA at the last moment.

    It would be nice to see in the future, for Beer Premier and ABQ Beer Week in general, beers the brewers started working on now and barrel-aged for next year. Or something nutty that they concocted to have some fun.
     
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  4. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Who is gonna be the kind guinea pig and see if Sierra Blanca's 20th Anniversary whiskey barrel stout is any good? I have to imagine the price will be pretty decent, so I might make the leap, but this would honestly be the only Sierra Blanca beer I've ever bought. Haha.

    I also wonder what whiskey barrel it's in.
     
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  5. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Also, I think this year's Strawberry Gose from La Cumbre will satisfy everyone. I liked last year's and everyone I shared it with enjoyed it too, but it also had its detractors.
     
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  6. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    @ONovoMexicano
    Is this years LC Gose any saltier, funkier? Or the same? I enjoyed last years but I'm on a slow decline from impulse buys.


    Sierra Blanca has that Bone Chiller (used to be called Nut Brown Ale) that is more on the english brown ale side. Definitely not one to "wow" people with, but it's won a GABF medal before. Very solid for it's style. All the others, yeah, I touched that isotopes once, and I would rather have GI products. BA scores are not far off IMHO.


    btw, I agree that it would be cool to see breweries brew a beer now for next year, or something fun and or wacky. Release three variants of Project Dank at once. Have Marble collab with LC for a single IPA to be released during beer week. I don't think beer week ever started as a local minded entity. Distributors and such seem to have some play. What could save a blues and brews would be for some of the new guys to come in and WOW people. I remember when La Cumbre was new and was bringing show stopping stuff. Boar's Nest had a booth and had some great beers. Marble brought their heavyweight Imperial stouts and reserves. We need the new guys to come in and make their own stamp at some of these events. But for now, It's a easy pass on most of these events. I don't think many of the new guys are even taking part in any of these events.

    I did see Boese Brothers and Santa Fe collabed on a beer. Double State pen porter mix or something. I would love to see more of that sort of thing.

    I can see how the Bear Fest is a small way for many of these breweries to own back the beer week that has become a bit crazy.

    I would honestly love an event to try all the new breweries (within the past 3 years) all in one place. Has Rio Bravo improved. Is Bow and Arrow any better? What about Firkin or Starr Brothers? What about the Palmer place (left turn distillery split their space with a beer brewery). Side Track? Still havent been there. Red Door, are they better? I would like an event that could maybe showcase those, along with our mainstays. Blues and Brews has a couple of those. But I don't see much value with a lot of them just being cans of stuff from TW (I can do that on my own).
     
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  7. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Not funkier as I think that's something that would develop more with time if at all. I don't generally consider goses funky though. It is much more biting with the tartness and I think that's where it's going to satisfy the beer geek crowd.

    Blues and Brews is just not for the hardcore beer crowd. It's more for the new-to-craft types. Beer Premier and Bearfest are the fests that could introduce some new gems or wow us with a new brewery. The problem is though that I don't see many of the brewers taking that approach or mentality. Marble, Bosque, and La Cumbre don't really have an incentive anyway as there aren't really going to be any festgoers there that aren't already familiar with and/or fans of them.

    Maybe Santa Fe Brewing can do something to earn some beer geek credibility. Sierra Blanca too. These guys have been around long enough and have the money to do it. Probably wishful thinking, although there's this below:

    Which is both beers in oak barrels and then blended. Could be interesting. Santa Fe Brewing is also going to release a beer they did with the distillery that shares the Green Jeans site with them (forget the name). Plus, their next Ever Changing Series beer is a Lemon Saison. I'd give them an A for effort at the least; only ones doing more Beer Week events are Albuquerque Brewing and Rio Bravo Brewing (the struggle is real, poor fellas).


    Give them a run, especially given you like Sierra Blanca's Nut Brown. They lean English and I think you'll like the cask offerings. Nice space too. I want them to succeed but I just don't know if Albuquerque can support them. In Denver you've got Prost and the Bull & Bush doing German and English styles and thriving, but I think those guys have been in the game long before the American IPA craze and the new age beer fan that won't drink lagers. Time will tell. I'm rooting for them. Ditto Ponderosa.

    Bow & Arrow was not impressive and I doubt I'll be back, but I wouldn't mind seeing them succeed. Rio Bravo, well, I've said it before and I'll say it again, fuck 'em. haha.
     
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  8. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    Speaking of German offerings, I think La Cumbre could annex and/or create their own German Bier Garden with all of their very solid offerings. I think all they're missing is a KristallWeizen. Their Kolsch is a nice summer treat. Munich Helles Yeah is nice. I love when their weizenbock (stronger slice of hefen) releases. Their slice of hefen gets consumed a ton it seems. It's gotta be there second best seller. All their varieties of VMO make for a treat as well. But maybe I'm just a fanboy. Although they are missing a really great stout (adjunct or not). Never really fell for La Negra. Ponderosa had a nice breakfast stout beer. I need to find another. I know Canteen lowered the ABV on their Panama Joe. It's never been the same.

    With Double white coming out into cans, the canteen brews, and BEER, I'm more of an at home drinker at the moment. I'm okay retrying "classics". These other new places will almost never get my money now. $5.50/pint of 'average' stuff. I can drop $7 for a sixer of above "average". More for everyone else I guess. When it's worth it, it's nice. I had a great time at Bosque SM on Saturday. But there are too many "baby step" breweries going on at the moment. Experimental brews are fine but when your whole operation is suffering, I just don't know.

    Just looked up the Beer Premiere event. Looks promising. My type of event. 16 breweries. 16 all new beers. But like you said, I can't find a beer list. The events in 8 days. I cant just drop money like that lol.
     
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  9. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Up in Loveland, you also have Grimm Brothers...a very under-rated brewery, in large part (I think) because hops are not their focus, instead focusing on interpretations of Old World beer styles.

    As for ABQ Beer Week, I had no idea about it. Sounds like it might be a good week to drink in and avoid the crowds. A BCBS tapping is enticing, but considering i got some Tweak and KBS sitting in my fridge, probably not enough to draw me in to the craziness.

    I agree with many of the sentiments addressed here about the lack of innovation and freshness in what local breweries offer.....with the exception, IMO, of Bosque, who are consistently brewing something new for us to try.....but considering how ridiculously packed these breweries seem to be, seems like they are doing something right. While they might not be catering us, the beer advocate/geek crowd, they certainly are catering to the population. Having moved down here from Denver, where we all know the beer scene is nothing less than fantastic and thriving, I would argue that the breweries down here are generally way busier and packed full than they are in Denver. I personally don't like that, but it certainly suggests good things for the breweries (or so I would think).
     
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  10. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    I do know that Blue Corn is bringing some sort of Cherry Brett beer. That's all I've heard. I tried to get info from La Cumbre and Bosque via chisme but they didn't even know what they were bringing.

    Agreed. La Cumbre has never let me down with a single German beer. Helles is awesome. Most recent VMO too. So many good ones.
     
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  11. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    I've never been, but heard good things. It's cool that these breweries can hold up in today's atmosphere.

    Honestly, it'd be more enticing if it were Coffee or something. Haha. BCBS is plentiful around here in November, while all the others are not.

    Indeed. Catering to their everyday supporters rather than those that drop in for the occasional release. Keeps them in business.

    It's great for them, great for those that are content with the status quo, but not so good for those (including myself occasionally) that are comparing New Mexico's breweries to those in other places. @gyoungit mentioned earlier in this thread that he's waiting for a brewery to step up and start brewing the super beer geek beers. I guess I'm stuck in the middle, empathizing for both sides.

    As @Oktoberfiesta said, too many weak copycats are entering the market thinking they can brew a golden ale, red, IPA and stout and make money. I think it's safe to say we'd all trade Rio Bravo, Bow & Arrow, Firkin, B2B, and Kaktus for just one brewery doing the outer space, Sun Ra-type of shit. I don't think anyone is holding their breath.

    I do know a lot of folks are hanging their hats on Rowley Farmhouse Ales and I think that place will become an oasis for sure. That should satisfy the wild ale, lambic, saison itch, but I don't think @Irrenarzt brews 18% stouts with vanilla bean, red chile, coffee and roasted piñon (though he should give it a try, haha).
     
  12. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    x3.
     
  13. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Call me crazy, but I will take a regular BCBS over a BCBCS every day of the week. I always found the original BCBS to be perfect as is, personally. It and Parabola have set the bar for what I expect from a BBA Stout.
     
  14. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    For me, it's more about a brewery that feels refined with their beers and taste. I home brew a lot (22 gallons at a time, with 60 gallons serving capacity). If it's a place that is selling me something that is close to this amateur stuff I do, I feel ripped off. I have come close to Marble Red/IPA (as a mixed entity). The hoppier LC offerings are tough. That's sorta where I draw the line. If I'm making stuff at 50 cents/pint, and it compares to some other "newer" offerings, WTH man. Recently it was a Fortunate Islands clone, which happened to have a lower OG, so it ended up being around 4.2%. But the dry hopping dynamics were superb. Easily our most expensive hoppy beer. Too many places are cutting corners on the hops FOR SURE.

    It's mainly about a place that can transport me somewhere, or provide a true service. But yes, I would trade 10 of our local breweries, for just one that is similar in nature to what Bosque has done for the hoppier beers. And that very well could be Rowley's. Second street is a great mainstay brewery for what they can provide in house. They may even top Santa Fe for best of SF in overall quality/variety. So getting another brewery out there may have me visit the area more often.


    I do give Santa Fe BC credit for their beer week activity. I know they have a 12 pack of happy camper now. Unless that's below $15/12, I have to say no. They are trying to grow. Their Black IPA won a medal in the Arizona Ameri-CANfest a couple weeks back (along with Marbles IPA- which is sort alost in the mix but always does so well for me in blind samplings among many IPAs).

    As far as beer Premiere, when I say "New beers", they are really calling them more along the lines of "one offs". So it could easily be a imperial java stout with vanilla beans added in the serving keg, or a LC Dank with lemon zest added (or their strawberry gose with added real fruit strawberries for 8 days). Most of those shouldn't take more than 8 days since mostly no one knows whats going down (it cant be any thing too spectacular I would think, unless they are hiding info :wink: ).
     
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  15. ucsbmullet

    ucsbmullet Initiate (0) Oct 5, 2011 Colorado

    Thanks for this thread.

    Hit up Bosque's original spot and Santa Fe's place. The Azacca S.M.A.S.H. and Western Bloc are legit pale/IPAs.

    Just a heads up for those heading to Santa Fe, Western Bloc wasn't on the beer board but was listed on the tap list sheet.

    Any solid IPA/Pales not from La Cumbre or Marble (already know they are awesome) on tap I should be on the lookout for?
     
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  16. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Are you talking about at their ABQ location? Funny you mention that because Western Bloc wasn't on last Friday and I was bummed. Left without having a beer.

    If you are in ABQ, Boxing Bear, Canteen and Quarter Celtic all do great IPAs too, although I generally find that trying to distinguish any of their IPAs from what you can get at La Cumbre is a lost cause.

    Having said that, Canteen does have a new IPA on that I haven't tried and you should definitely pick up cans of Exodus IPA at a store.
     
  17. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    I saw Boxing Bear post some beer info regarding Bearfest:

    "UPDATE on special beers coming to BearFest: La Cumbre Brewing Co. - among their normal all-star lineup of great beers including WBC Gold Award BEER, Jeff will be bringing some Strawberry Gose, Red Ryeot, VMO #2, and we're really wanting to try 'No, You're a Dort' Dortmunder. Quarter Celtic Brewpub - Brady will be offering some very interesting beers, his Sangria wheat, Mor Buck IPA, their delicious Irish Extra Stout, and the Saoirse hefe. (You can have one if you can pronounce it) Bathtub Row Brewing Co-op - Jason will be bringing his Orange Blossom Belgo Pale, Hoppenheimer IPA (best name ever), his Gose, and we're looking forward to trying his Organic Farmhouse Ale. Can't wait! Come join the fun! ‪#‎local‬ ‪#‎worldbeercup‬ ‪#‎newmexicobeers‬"

    Cool to see La Cumbre bring their Dort back, but otherwise, as usual, no effort to debut something new. Same with Quarter Celtic. Bathtub Row's presence is cool as all those beers would be new to me and likely most attendees.
     
  18. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    More Bearfest beers:

    "Here's a teaser of some specials that will be served at BearFest on Sunday, along with their usual favorites:
    From Zach at the Canteen Brewhouse - Hopballer IPA, That's How it Gose, and of course their WBC Award winning High Plains Pils.
    From Mick at Turtle Mountain Brewing Company - Bien Tu Helles Bock, Hopshell IPA and Heidelberg Helles.
    From Justin at Boxing Bear - Black and Blue Sour, WBC Gold Award Chocolate Milk Stout on nitro, and our 2016 National IPA Challenge Final Four medalist Bear Knuckle IPA.
    More breweries and beers to come... stay tuned!"
     
  19. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    By the way, not sure if you're in town through Sunday, but you may want to consider doing Bearfest: https://www.facebook.com/events/1075714729148058/permalink/1153519908034206/

    Seems like a good way to try lots of NM breweries.
     
  20. ucsbmullet

    ucsbmullet Initiate (0) Oct 5, 2011 Colorado

    It was ABQ location. Won't be around Sunday, but thanks for heads up on the other spots.
     
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