14 Breweries Split from the Colorado Brewers Guild

Discussion in 'Mountain' started by Cfahooligan, Jun 11, 2016.

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  1. Cfahooligan

    Cfahooligan Pundit (929) Mar 19, 2001 California

    That issue is really between Chris' ethics with Oskar Blues not the entire new group. His message has nothing to do with this situation just them personally and other things not the formation of a new guild. This is an entirely different situation.
     
  2. Cfahooligan

    Cfahooligan Pundit (929) Mar 19, 2001 California


    No this has nothing to do with that. He has many other issues with them. He has stated what they are. This is not apart of that. Like I said above this is an entirely different situation.
     
  3. mickyficky

    mickyficky Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Colorado

    I understand he has other issues with them but this is also one of them. From his post..
    "In your case, some of your Brewery’s recent actions point towards a brewery that I feel ISN’T Craft & therefore I wish to have nothing to do with. In the Craft Beer Industry, it’s either you are WITH it, or you are AGAINST it, there really is no in-between. Starting this year, you have left the Colorado Brewers Guild."
     
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  4. Cfahooligan

    Cfahooligan Pundit (929) Mar 19, 2001 California

    He personally doesn't feel like they are craft but he doesn't make the decisions on who is and who isn't. He made a choice for his bar based on multiple things and again it has nothing to do with this situation here. I can't speak for him on what he was or wasn't told because I have no idea if he knew this was coming or not. But I am positive his issues with them leaving are about other things first. Leaving the guild was just one part of it. Maybe he'd have had a different reaction if he knew this was coming. I don't know I am not him. But a lot of people on the inside didn't know this was coming. Let's please move on from this forced angle because this has nothing to do with Chris Black or Falling Rock. This is not about choices he makes for his bar on what he is going to serve. It's about the ineptitude of the Colorado Brewers Guild enough to make several breweries leave and form their own thing.
     
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  5. biking4beer

    biking4beer Pundit (833) Oct 5, 2006 Colorado

    It's not about leaving the Colorado Brewers Guild specifically (although that is what happened), but that fact that OB left the trade group that fights or is supposed to fight for the benefit of the industry in Colorado. These breweries have left with the feeling that the CBG isn't representing the industry adequately (edit: I don't agree or disagree with this point) in order to form another group that they feel will. See the difference?
     
  6. mickyficky

    mickyficky Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Colorado

    I completely understand why others have now left the brewers guild. I also understand none of this has anything to do with falling rock or OB, for that matter. I also understand the falling rock/OB situation has a lot more behind it than this one thing.
    Some missed my point/initial sarcasm that since he said what he did about OB he might have to eat his words or he'd soon run out of beer options. It was a joke.
     
  7. FarmerTed

    FarmerTed Pundit (928) May 31, 2011 Colorado

    I wonder if we'll start getting Maryland pricing on La Folie and Le Terroir when it shows up in grocery stores, or will they still cost 8 bucks more per bottle here?
     
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  8. biking4beer

    biking4beer Pundit (833) Oct 5, 2006 Colorado

    It sounded more like a misinformed dig.
     
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  9. Cfahooligan

    Cfahooligan Pundit (929) Mar 19, 2001 California


    We just wasted a lot of time needlessly dragging this back to the actual topic.
     
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  10. mickyficky

    mickyficky Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Colorado

    Next time I'll add some emojis so it's more clear.
     
  11. biking4beer

    biking4beer Pundit (833) Oct 5, 2006 Colorado

    Nah, I got in a run and a shower during all of this. :wink::slight_smile:
     
  12. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Grand Pooh-Bah (4,290) May 19, 2005 Colorado
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    Coors has a say in that, too.
     
  13. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Grand Pooh-Bah (4,290) May 19, 2005 Colorado
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    In the age of social media, communicating with the consumer/voter is paramount (as is, getting the message across accurately). Sadly, only Kroger et al did that.

    And I think this meshes with why those 14 were upset
     
  14. Osprey77

    Osprey77 Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2010 Colorado

    Westword Article is a little misleading. It makes it sound as if 5 breweries started it and the rest joined. They also only list 13 of the breweries. All 14 breweries signed on for the launch and are united in the goal of a more cohesive, effective, and united group to do whats best for Colorado's Independent brewers. (Jonathan Shikes said an edit was on its way)
     
  15. omgeezo

    omgeezo Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2013 Colorado

    "Starting this year, you have left the Colorado Brewers Guild. This leaves a large hole in the budget of an organization that has helped & fought for your ability to get to where you are today." – Chris Black

    I'm not sure if creating a new guild resolves the above point of contention. That's all anyone is saying. And sure, his letter was also about the new venue that creates competition with the accounts that have been their advocate for years and made them lots of money while growing their brand. We all read that part too, but it's not relevant to this conversation. Only the quote above is. Maybe you are the one with blinders on?
     
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  16. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Psh, who shops at Tipsy's anyway? :grimacing:
     
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  17. mickyficky

    mickyficky Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Colorado

    I'm curious as to the time line of if/when the breweries left in the current brewers guild will be looked at as not being Craft for supporting a group that apparently has been failing in one of their main objectives.
    Seems as if this new group has a decent amount of momentum already.
     
  18. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Grand Pooh-Bah (4,290) May 19, 2005 Colorado
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    Well, the quote isn't really relevant either if it's inserted into a new context. :stuck_out_tongue:

    Black's contention, though, was more than OB leaving the guild. That was just one example of a "non craft brewery" action. I think his main gripe was the new venue and wanted extra ammo for the letter. In my opinion, such letters are never a good idea especially when personal emotions are high.
     
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  19. southdenverhoo

    southdenverhoo Pooh-Bah (1,567) Aug 13, 2004 Colorado
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    Looking forward to seeing how the new entity does things differently than the old one. Do I misunderstand or was Weist Capitol not the lobbyist for the Guild during the relevant "bad" period that Craft Beer Colorado is moving away from, and is it not the lobbyist Craft Beer Colorado has chosen to grease the ol' legislative wheels as that entity enters into this new golden period of being proactive instead of reactive?

    Obviously the problem wasn't the firm hired to manage legislative affairs, it was the organization writing the check to the firm hired to manage legislative affairs. It will all be different now.

    The dogs bark, but the caravan (in this case, Weist Capitol) moves on, collecting fees as it goes.

    It is hard to believe that all these, I think we can agree, indisputable craft brewers would align in a craft brewers' coalition with a brewer Chris Black has identified as "not a craft brewer" but I am advised by the experts around here that that is an irrelevancy ("that has nothing to do with the situation here" per cfahooligan) so I apologize for even thinking it worthy of comment. Though I see I am not the first who (foolishly, I think we all can agree) thought it both funny and worthy of comment.
     
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  20. Cfahooligan

    Cfahooligan Pundit (929) Mar 19, 2001 California

    Oh good god everyone. We got a phone call from Black yesterday first thing in the morning and he didn't know this was happening. Okay everyone? He didn't know. A lot of people did not know this was happening. That is why I can safely say Chris' rant had nothing to do with this. And just because Chris Black doesn't think they are craft or craft enough for his bar doesn't mean they aren't. It's not like he has the end all be all say in who can form these guilds or be in it or not. How many times do I have to say it? And think about it without Chris Black, they'd be a powerful ally to have on your side. Chris Black's drama with this seriously does not have anything to do with this situation. How many more ways can I spell this out? I really don't understand why we're still dragging this on and forcing this to be about Chris Black. But this is the last I will say about it. He didn't know.

    And I didn't say your comments weren't relevant, but continuously trying to force it as an issue has made things annoying and changed the focus the topic from the ineptitude of the Craft Brewers Guild to solidly about Chris Black.
     
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