14 Breweries Split from the Colorado Brewers Guild

Alternating proprietorship was one, which if that had not passed, we would have not had Crooked Stave, Atom Brewing, Casey Brewing.

Brewpub License was another

Dave at Ska listed off several more, I'll see if I can find his post about it. Those were the two that stuck out in my mind as recent stuff.

ETA - oops I misread your post, thought you said what have they done not what are they

 

I think they will. I am planning on going to the CBC meeting next month to get a feel for what is going on, and I'll go from there. At this point, I'm up in the air about staying where we are, or moving on. Or even going with either association for a while. I mean, the main breweries who formed, are HUGE breweries that spill more beer in a few months then I'll make in a year....so it'll be interesting to see if they are really going to have ALL of our best interests in mind, or just theirs.

 

No, that's what I was looking for, thanks!

 

We'd absolutely love an open dialogue with ABI participation!

 

Jeez! It's just beer for Christ sakes. The more everyone worries about the ever-evolving undefinable definition of "craft" the better off we'll all be. Sure, businesses are different, but all have a lot to learn and work toward for the betterment of the beer community.

The alternative is to arbitrarily make up new definitions solely for the purpose of either including or excluding particular businesses. Such as:

• What will be the new size limit when growth puts a "craft" brewer over 6 million barrels
• When "craft" brewers continue to make "session" beers and start using corn adjunct - what then (I saw a Piney the Elder recipe in zymergy and it had corn syrup in it - not saying Russian River does - but who if)

Small, independent and traditional is relative bullshit and meaningless. Molson Coors is small (relative to Walmart), largely independent as most of the voting stock is privately held and traditional (brewing beer the same way it had in the 1800's when, by the current definition, they were craft beers).

Oh, and has anyone noticed that as big brewers got bigger, small brewers proliferated...and all for the good of beer. We don't need definitions and we don't need to waste time on meaningless bullshit. Again, it's just beer.

 

It's more than "just beer" though. The industry employs thousands directly, and tens of thousands peripherally. A craft brewery is someone's livelihood, times 4,000. Definitions become important when taxation is introduced--not to mention the corporate status of large breweries.

 

...and it's more than just craft brewers livelihood...and the definition of craft has nothing to do with tax rates (as you probably know since you brought it up, it's a graduated scale with the rate increasing as specific volumes are surpassed that are not even close to the 2 million barrel limit the BA pulled out their asses)...and Boston Beer is a limited liability corporation - just like MillerCoors - huh, imagine that

 

The craft beer definition is set at 6 million barrels (among other things). 2 million barrels is actually a significant threshold when it comes to excise taxes.

https://www.ttb.gov/tax_audit/atftaxes.shtml#Beer

 

Agreed. So, it's not "just beer".

 

Sorry, you're right. Changed several years ago so Boston Beer could still be "Craft" beer. Thanks for helping me prove my point.

 

Not the way I meant and I wasn't very clear - sorry. Just beer, meaning it doesn't need a meaningless modifier (the word craft).

 

I'm not sure what your point is. I was just clarifying on those two points.

 

Oh, I dunno. Is Walmart just a store? I can see how the craft term can seem meaningless, but that has more to do with the vagueness of the term rather than its intention. It's not the best selection of words. Yet there is a big difference between Hogshead brewery and Sam Adams and Sam Adams and InBev....and more than just size. Biz practices of each affect many others for better or worse. The "craft" breweries' practices benefit the industry... AbInBev's rarely do.