Refunds for 2015 Regular BCBS and 2015 Prop

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by GatorLCA, Apr 13, 2016.

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  1. zach60614

    zach60614 Initiate (0) May 1, 2012 Illinois

    If that was true there would be a lot of breweries (and other CPG companies for that matter) out of business since "Tastes good" is way too subjective to police. For example, I think everything I've ever tasted brewed by Short's is awful. However, some people apparently like their beers.

    That said, I want to trade in my Regs and Props for 2016 Regs and Props.
     
  2. amsguitarist

    amsguitarist Initiate (0) Sep 20, 2014 California

    That was just an easy way of explaining it, but I'm sure there is a quantifiable difference in Product A on day 1 and Product A on day 250.

    I'm surprised there hasn't been a class action lawsuit to be honest.
     
  3. ucsdmuiron1986

    ucsdmuiron1986 Aspirant (272) Mar 1, 2014 California
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    Unfortunately, class certification is expensive and burdensome, and there is not much money at stake here to litigate on contingency (relative to other cases).
     
  4. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    I'm sure there will be an attempt and as always (if successful)--lawyers will get a 7 digit payday and you will get a check on the order of 10$.

    Would that make you feel better?

    Those of use who drink wine have had this experience for years--a corked bottle or one that "went off"--just view it as part of the deal and move on. I'm a big boy and can handle it. On the scale of the overall "beverage" experience, a proverbial drop in the bucket.
     
  5. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    "Bad" tasting beer can't harm you. There is no regulation by FDA because of this. If you are suggesting that there should be a class action suit, I suggest starting one. Maybe others won't think it is as laughable an undertaking as I do, and who knows you might get a dollar or two for everyone.
     
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  6. zach60614

    zach60614 Initiate (0) May 1, 2012 Illinois

    A lawsuit on what grounds? It doesn't taste good? That's a really stupid, frivolous lawsuit.

    I'm just hoping they do the right thing and compensate customers accordingly.
     
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  7. ucsdmuiron1986

    ucsdmuiron1986 Aspirant (272) Mar 1, 2014 California
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    "Develops for up to 5 years in the bottle" certainly is misleading advertisement, if not false in this case -- in addition to defective product. Doubt anyone will take this up. Why not just issue refunds or credit?
     
  8. Sparta

    Sparta Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Oregon

    To be fair. It is clearly developing in the bottle. Just not the way you want it to :slight_smile:
     
  9. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I thought this was on the label, but it wasn't for 2015. How prophetic of them!
     
  10. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I drank an infected beer once (not BCBS) but didn't realize that's what was going on until afterwards when it took a day to get the metallic taste out of my mouth. Sucked but didn't kill me. As far as a class-action lawsuit, I don't know - seems to be enough of them. I didn't get any infected BCBS so it's up to those that did.
     
  11. ucsdmuiron1986

    ucsdmuiron1986 Aspirant (272) Mar 1, 2014 California
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    Oh, what the irony if this were true (haha). :wink: Unfortunately, its on the top portion of the label that sticks out.
     
  12. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Wow, jump right to insults when you disagree. I agree they are negligent in allowing the infected beers to enter distribution. But they didn't create the hunt, and they certainly didn't even create the big gap between supply and demand. They could make a lot more money by vastly increasing supply to be closer to demand. Reality is that BA beers are expensive and time consuming to make due to barrels, space, labor, etc. So - what could they have done to prevent the hunt which they did not solicit? And if they can't prevent it, then that's not their liability. I agree that they should try to repair the damage to their reputation, but making up for the hunt is nebulous and unwarranted. Like others, I did not have to hunt for it this past year as I stumbled across it on the shelf. But if I did have to hunt it, that's on me.
     
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  13. amsguitarist

    amsguitarist Initiate (0) Sep 20, 2014 California

    It would be fairly easy. BCBS is released every year, so there is a known quantity of what the beer should taste like. If the beer is soured, the difference in those bottles could be proven by pH. I'm sure a lawyer could prove this in court. Beer purchaser has been buying bourbon county for years, with an expectation of a certain flavor that has been consistent every year... even after aging 6 years. Customer buys 2015 bottle, there is an increase in pH at 6 months, beer tastes sour. Customer is now past the refund date.

    But I guess you're okay with a company taking thousands of dollars with no accountability for the quality of its products.

    For me, it appears like Bourbon County is a driver for its year round taps and in store options. They make an incentive for businesses to carry their other beers like Sophie, Honkers etc. If they sell more year round, they get more BCBS, or a keg of Vanilla Rye or whatever. Their batch of bourbon county probably pales in comparison in profits vs their year around offerings. That's just what I've noticed. Liquor stores want beer bros to regular them, so they like to get in stuff like BCBS.
     
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  14. habanosdarklord

    habanosdarklord Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2011 Illinois

    Good deal. All of mine are also 09Nov15. I've had a few over the past 2-3 months and all have been stellar.
     
  15. amsguitarist

    amsguitarist Initiate (0) Sep 20, 2014 California

    Why is this laughable? Complaints are taken very seriously when it comes to taste and odor in foods. If you opened your bag of chips and it smelled like a sour foot, you'd probably take it much more serious than an infected beer.

    It's crazy you guys are willing to pay $20+ and be completely accepting of the fact that it could be trash and you won't be refunded or compensated. Maybe that's part of problem.
     
  16. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Yup - you're right. I didn't look on the other side of the flap.
     
  17. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I said it's laughable that someone would undertake a class action suit to redress bad tasting beer. And it is laughable. Try to hire a lawyer for it on contingency and I'll bet my last dollar he/she thinks it's laughable too.
     
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  18. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Just as an FYI, the difference between food and an alcoholic beverage here is critical. Spoiled food can make people ill even to the point of death. Even then the only involvement of the FDA is regulating/recalling food products that come from an FDA inspected food producer.

    Beer does not come under the FDA because it is not a food item. No human pathogens can survive in beer. Also alcohol is a controlled substance which is also one of the reasons why it is regulated by the ATF rather than the FDA.

    (Also FYI, I have not spent a single dime on a BCBS (or a variant) in 6-8 years. In fact I seldom buy anybody's barrel aged beers because there is always a risk the beer will develop off flavors.)
     
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  19. Highbrow

    Highbrow Pooh-Bah (1,770) Jan 7, 2011 California
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    did you mean ATF? or am i thinking of the wrong "TSA" agency?
     
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  20. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Yes ATF
     
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