King Henry's Whale Status ?

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by InebriatedJoker, Mar 4, 2012.

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Will King Henry be as big of a whale as Rare ?

  1. 1. No.. It will never be in the same class as Rare.

    81 vote(s)
    32.0%

  2. 2. Yes.. It will be in the same class as Rare.

    109 vote(s)
    43.1%

  3. 3. No... It was an off the shelf beer and will always be considered as such.

    23 vote(s)
    9.1%

  4. 4. King Henry is over hyped and not worth the beers it's landing in trades .

    40 vote(s)
    15.8%
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  1. chanokokoro

    chanokokoro Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2012 Illinois

    #181 chanokokoro, Mar 10, 2012
  2. chanokokoro

    chanokokoro Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2012 Illinois

    Oh no...here we go again...:grimacing:

    I've tried to bring up that point for consideration a few times...
     
    #182 chanokokoro, Mar 10, 2012
  3. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    :grinning:

    i've brought up the point that it's probably going to be rebrewed (whether under the same name or not, but with a basically similar recipe) and been ignored as well...
     
    #183 Levitation, Mar 10, 2012
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  4. chanokokoro

    chanokokoro Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2012 Illinois

    Didn't think that was ignored. I agree that another barrel-aged barleywine is a good possibility. However, we have no way of knowing if it's going to be the same recipe or called KH. Again plenty of English kings' names out there...
     
    #184 chanokokoro, Mar 10, 2012
  5. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    No way! Shelf beer for shelf beer? Might be time to test out this ignore feature...

    I don't have time to look through this joke of a thread, but pretty sure nothing mentioned has been a 'whale'.
     
    #185 Rempo, Mar 10, 2012
  6. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    And then we've brought up the point that it will still be as similar of a beer as the difference between something like BASC 2011 and BASC 2010. The realistic scenario is they more or less keep the same base beer, toss it in new types of barrels, slap King Edward on it, and then King Henry just becomes the first beer in something closer to a Vertical than a Horizontal. And it will taste about 99% similar. Ultimately the tickers will want every one, but most people will be just as happy with King Edward and completely stop bothering with King Henry. Which is exactly what happens with every other limited release...

    Anyway, we're really going in circles and this thread needs to die.
     
    #186 cbeer88, Mar 10, 2012
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  7. Khazadum

    Khazadum Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2010 Illinois

    Assuming a lot of things. King Henry was made before, and sucked compared to this version. Assuming that anything previously released and aged in different barrels is going to be 99% similar is easily disproven. Bourbon County Brand Stout is not 99% similar every year. I'd garner its 90% similar, but some years are just home runs while others are triples.
     
    #187 Khazadum, Mar 10, 2012
  8. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Agreed, but then this entire thread is founded on assumptions. It's imposible to debate the future value of a beer without making assumptions.
     
    #188 cbeer88, Mar 10, 2012
  9. Khazadum

    Khazadum Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2010 Illinois

    Usually why I stay out of these threads. Shit! I better get outta here quick and drink my shelf beers :wink:

    Cheers!
     
    #189 Khazadum, Mar 10, 2012
  10. MasterSki

    MasterSki Grand Pooh-Bah (4,848) Dec 25, 2006 Canada (ON)
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I'm not sure why everyone insists on calling these 'shelf' beers. Yes, they are sold through the three-tier distribution network, rather than at a one-day brewery release, but the net effect is the same - they're available for a few days after which they're gone until the next release (or forever). Purchasing any limited GI beer is pretty much akin to buying Darkness/Dark Lord/Hunahpu's/etc. as it requires a pre-planned strategy and there's a realistic (albeit semi-flexible) limit as to how much can be acquired.

    Most Chicagoan BAs realistically got 0-3 bottles of beers like Bramble Rye BCS, Coffee BCS, King Henry, and there's no more out there left to purchase. Of course there are outliers, folks who manage to get significantly more, but those people also exist at brewery-only release too - who hasn't seen the photos of people with 12 Kate the Greats, 16 growlers of Pliny The Younger, 8 Black Notes, etc.?

    I know some of these GI beers *may* exist on a mystical shelf in Kentucky, NYC, Sioux City, Stockholm, or Valhalla. If you want to equate that with a readily available rotating release like Avery Maharaha, go right ahead, but you're just going to met with unrequited ISOs and much derision.

    People are way too caught up in the mechanics here - whether or not something was on a store shelf at one point during its lifespan is a poor way to evaluate ease of acquisition, otherwise I'd be flush with Rorie's Ale, Loerik, and Beatification. While selling umpteen-thousand bottles of King Henry on store shelves in Chicago certainly may have resulted in less distance traveled than, say, going to a Hill Farmstead release, it also increased the pool of buyers by many orders of magnitude.

    Bottom line - all limited release beers are a challenge to acquire, and depending on the specifics some significantly more so than others. Using the term 'shelf' does nothing to illuminate said relative difficulty or establish comparative value. We all intrinsically overvalue items that took us time, effort and/or money to acquire, while undervaluing the efforts made by others. People focus far too much on the 'supply' side of things to gauge trade value, while forgetting 'demand' is equally important - this is why your offer of random, unknown, limited release from Podunk is rarely successful in netting 'shelf' beers from Chicago. Get over it.
     
    #190 MasterSki, Mar 10, 2012
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  11. abecall98

    abecall98 Savant (1,234) Aug 11, 2007 California
    Trader

    I don't know why so many people are so into a beers perception of "whale". If the beer is good, then the beer is good, and going to taste the same regardless of the label given to it.

    That said, I can't wait to open mine!
     
    #191 abecall98, Mar 10, 2012
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  12. SpdKilz

    SpdKilz Pooh-Bah (2,239) Jan 8, 2009 Illinois
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    Hope it lives up to the hype! Let me know how you like it :grinning:
     
    #192 SpdKilz, Mar 11, 2012
  13. BrianTheBrewer30

    BrianTheBrewer30 Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2009 Massachusetts

    Wow by the way this thread is sounding when I open my bottle with friends I am only letting them have some if they bring Dave, M, and a growler of Younger signed by Vinnie.
     
    #193 BrianTheBrewer30, Mar 11, 2012
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  14. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Thanks to Urbancaver for opening a bottle this afternoon. King Henry was absolutely stunning. Believe the "hype" on this one.
     
    #194 ShanePB, Mar 11, 2012
  15. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I drank a bottle of MoaS tonight and put my lone King Henry bottle on the table to look at while I drank the MoaS. Figured I'd get the MoaS a little fired up for his new competition of best American made barleywine. I'll believe King Henry is really that good when I try it, because MoaS is about perfect. Soon, King Henry, soon.
     
    #195 cbeer88, Mar 11, 2012
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  16. SpdKilz

    SpdKilz Pooh-Bah (2,239) Jan 8, 2009 Illinois
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    Haha, I enjoyed this post cbeer88. Cheers!
     
    #196 SpdKilz, Mar 11, 2012
  17. BrianTheBrewer30

    BrianTheBrewer30 Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2009 Massachusetts

    I am not even that big of a barleywine fan but reading this whole thread keeps making me peek in my closet and make sure good old King Henry is ok. I will not open it yet though...but I am very excited. Instead I may just settle for Flying Mouflan which I really enjoy.
     
    #197 BrianTheBrewer30, Mar 11, 2012
  18. ThoreauLikeAGirl

    ThoreauLikeAGirl Initiate (0) Mar 11, 2011 Pennsylvania

    ditto x1000. and kudos on the St. Somewhere. that was ultra tasty, too. Thanks!
     
    #198 ThoreauLikeAGirl, Mar 11, 2012
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  19. chanokokoro

    chanokokoro Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2012 Illinois

    Great post cheer88. Wish I've had the pleasure of partaking in MoaS as well as I really love a good barleywine. I'll be interested in your take on KH...
     
    #199 chanokokoro, Mar 11, 2012
  20. stxSS07

    stxSS07 Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2010 Illinois

    We thought King Henry blew 2011 MOAS away in the side by side I did with a local BA, but I have one left of each that I am saving to try again in a couple of months to (hopefully) give MOAS some time to mellow out.
     
    #200 stxSS07, Mar 11, 2012
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