Poll: Would you open a brewery in 2016/17?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by JDice20, Aug 29, 2016.

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Would you open a brewery in 2016/17?

  1. Yes, absolutely! Strike while the iron is hot!

    26 vote(s)
    15.7%
  2. No way... Too many craft breweries already out there. Market IS over saturated.

    49 vote(s)
    29.5%
  3. Maybe.. Depends on the location and other proximal breweries.

    84 vote(s)
    50.6%
  4. Too buzzed to decide at this time.

    7 vote(s)
    4.2%
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  1. JDice20

    JDice20 Zealot (639) Aug 14, 2013 Louisiana

    Ive been spitballing some Ideas with a few friends of mine regarding opening a brewery...
    Just curious as to the general pulse of the BA community on this topic.


    Would you think opening a new brewery and taproom would be a wise endeavor?

    I find myself coming up with tons of excuses as to why its a bad idea, but dang I like to dream...


    In my mind the location is key. I live in a decent sized town, and up until 3 years ago, there were exactly
    ZERO craft breweries in my town.

    There are now 3 total breweries in the area metro-plex where i live..
    Roughly 455,000 people live here.

    Not a tremendous amout of tourism except for the casinos... So in my mind it would solely depend on the indigenous support of the locals...

    I wouldnt get into this to get rich, but to just do something that I would love doing.... At the same time, i wouldnt want to get in over my head and be caught up in a wave of craft brewery closings due to oversaturation or whatever other reason...

    Lets ramble on and give me some pros and cons....
     
  2. jcos

    jcos Pundit (802) Nov 23, 2009 Maryland

    Can you make a good beer consistently batch to batch?
     
  3. Stewmeister91

    Stewmeister91 Zealot (516) Apr 7, 2008 New Jersey
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    If you make good beer, people will come.
     
  4. JDice20

    JDice20 Zealot (639) Aug 14, 2013 Louisiana



    Admittedly i personally have not brewed beer. Ive been involved helping in the brewing process several times... However one of the guys who would be
    "head brewer" at least initially, has been home brewing since 1996.

    He and the couple of guys he brews with every other weekend have won several homebrew competitions.
    I have tried 6-7 of his beers and they are better than 99% of stuff i can find
    on the shelves.

    In short he would be involved as mentor and brewer.

    I have full confidence that this is a skill set that I could learn and then thrive at.
    Extremely meticulous and anal about things. Im also a scientist by degree.
    ( Geologist, but hey still a scientist!)
     
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  5. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Thoughts have nothing to do with 2016-2017 but with starting up in general.

    What do your Business Plan, Accountant, and Lawyer with expertise in alcoholic beverage law think?

    How good is the Brewmaster you've been talking with? The most recent successful local startup near where I live the brewmaster had 10-12 years of pro experience and several national level beer competition medals to suggest that he knew what he was doing. (That's why the small restaurant chain known for fairly good food that was backing him made him a partial owner, helped finance the operation and were able to start serving his beers almost immediately.)

    Do you have some investors lined up who are willing to put up the money for equipment, facilities, and operating expenses until your local audience become aware that you are out there? (e.g., you will need a bit of a cushion that will allow you to dump batches of beer until you get the operation and equipment dialed in. Opening with batchs of poor beer offered to folks who know their beer will cost you long term customers and get you the wrong kind of word of mouth advertising.)

    (BTW, If you plan on serving food, who will provide it and how good are they and their food?)
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @JDice20, have you constructed a business plan? What sort of brewery business do you want to have? Do you want to be a packaging (production brewery)? Or do you want to be more like a brewpub?

    IMO there are plenty of opportunities for more businesses like brewpubs; you are essentially like a restaurant that also serve locally produced beer. A business like a production brewery is a totally different thing.

    Cheers!
     
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  7. JDice20

    JDice20 Zealot (639) Aug 14, 2013 Louisiana


    Good stuff man.

    Certainly these sorts of questions will need to be covered and resolved before moving forward.
    At surface level, the intent of this thread was just to get an overall quick emotional feeling towards opening a brewery/taproom.

    However, I realize that when it got down to nut cutting time as to whether or not to pursue a dream of this magnitude, there are many things that would need to be discussed and weighed as one would try to project the success of the endeavor. Not to mention defining what success looks like...


    The brewmaster ive been visiting with has never worked for a commercial brewery.
    I do have several friends who work for nationally distributing brewery that I would assume
    could help me in whatever area is deficient in knowledge or skill.
    In my naivity (sp?) i didnt really consider commercial brewing experience a tipping point
    on making the decision to pursue this dream.

    Food is not something I am ready to discuss just yet. ( the area brewers have rotating food trucks which come by and provide food for their patrons)
     
  8. JDice20

    JDice20 Zealot (639) Aug 14, 2013 Louisiana


    In short, no. I have nothing on paper as this is in what I would call its infancy stage..

    I visualized a packaging and production brewery with a taproom. Food available from
    the area food trucks, etc.. I have dreamed up quite a few vastly different looking
    business models.

    Your comment regarding the brew pub is interesting. There is a local pub I have in mind that boasts some of the best , ill call it "heavy pub" food ive ever had... Would be an interesting thought to team up with them....
     
  9. jcos

    jcos Pundit (802) Nov 23, 2009 Maryland

    I can't say whether or not somebody else should do this, as it is a big financial risk. The other business points people on this thread make are very valid too. You need to have some idea of costs down at minimum.

    Personally I wouldn't start a taproom without knowledge of how to brew myself, or alternatively if the company was a 50/50 split with somebody who does so that person is invested in the idea. If the person is simply an employee/contributor, they could decide at any time to not continue.

    The person who is a homebrewer and mentor could work with you to increase your knowledge on how to brew before you even decide if this is what you want.
     
  10. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
    In Memoriam

    But you see most of the folks on this forum have never opened a brewery/taproom and their emotional response isn't really going to be of much help in making a deci

    However, I'd say you've already started a critical step, i.e., preliminary market analysis. What's going on elsewhere would seem to me to matter very little in the sense that if you can clearly bring good local beer to an area where its lacking and in the process create an environment where people want to go relax and have a beer or two and/or pick up a growler or a few bottles then what the situation is like in say, Philly, isn't particularly relevant.
     
  11. JDice20

    JDice20 Zealot (639) Aug 14, 2013 Louisiana


    Absolutely.
    One thing I should have mentioned was my vision for ownership.
    A team of 3-5 people who bring an extremely valuable and different skill set and
    experience base to the table.
    On my own, there is zero way to pull this off.
    Money would obviously be a big hurdle, but I am in a unique position in my industry. I know ALOT of big money people who are looking to invest into whatever someone trusts tells them to...You are right. I need to get a ball park cost and see what kind of capital i could raise...
     
  12. JDice20

    JDice20 Zealot (639) Aug 14, 2013 Louisiana


    This is precisely why I am dreaming this up. My area was literally the SLOWEST to adopt this craft beer movement.
    There is a monumental amount of room in this market for a HIGH quality beer brewing outfit matched with a great environment to enjoy it with.
     
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  13. jcos

    jcos Pundit (802) Nov 23, 2009 Maryland

    I still sense that the excitement here is in that it is beer and an alternative job.

    The basic thing to me is whether the product you intend to make is good, repeatable and if the process to source and make that product on a routine basis is something you really want to do.
     
  14. JDice20

    JDice20 Zealot (639) Aug 14, 2013 Louisiana


    Ill be honest with the rest of the world and say yes, you are correct. I have a full time job and make pretty decent money. So do the other contributors to the team.
    I would say the vision would be to start small and smart. Then organically allow ourselves to grow as popularity and support dictates.
    Hopefully this would turn into my sole job and passion...
     
  15. JDice20

    JDice20 Zealot (639) Aug 14, 2013 Louisiana

    Appreciating the input thus far. Thanks men.
     
  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
    In Memoriam

    Then you really need to quit dreaming up business plans. Commit to a written plan with the idea that it is a living document that may have to have fundamental changes as you learn more, etc. and before you are done. Also, that business plan can be both a tool to help you think through the issues and serve as a part of your sales pitch to investors who aren't putting up anything but money. (My prediction is that you'll need a few.)

    Creating that core plan also helps you to realize what work is in front of you. Eg., imagining you can learn the skill of brewing because you have a science background and an amateur brewer to coach you may be totally off base when it comes to being able to make beer that folks will plunk down their hard earned dollars to enjoy more than once. There's both science and craftsmanship involved in brewing good beer, and the craftsmanship is learned only through doing (which includes a good bit of guided trial and error learning).

    Edit: BTW in my view a good business plan includes a budget which is a critical part of planning, etc. Many think budgets are just about counting dollars. I'd say it's much more than just a way of keeping track of money when used as a planning tool.
     
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  17. JDice20

    JDice20 Zealot (639) Aug 14, 2013 Louisiana



    I appreciate that kick in the crotch lol.
    You are correct. Ill be taking this to the next level. We will see
    how the dream holds up once all the warm and fuzzies are set aside
    and serious planning commences...
     
  18. jcos

    jcos Pundit (802) Nov 23, 2009 Maryland

    This is why I am trying to say to be cautious. There are a number of small breweries in my area that have opened whose product doesn't seem to even equal what my friends homebrew - although they homebrew on a much smaller scale. It's hard to go back to a places that make beer like that just because they are local with so many options available through bars and stores.
     
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  19. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
    In Memoriam

    Exactly. You've got to pull all those warm fuzzies out of the back of your mind and expose them to the harsh light of day to see if they survive or wither and die from exposure.
     
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  20. JuliusPepperwood

    JuliusPepperwood Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2013 North Carolina

    I would say no but not because of over saturation. I can think of plenty of cities near me that a new brewery would likely do well in. But the start up capital for equipment, bureaucratic red tape, acquiring hop contracts, and making consistently good beer all sounds like a nightmare to me. I'd rather open a craft beer bar and pour some of the thousands of amazing beers already being made.
     
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