n00b question - pitch yeast at 100degrees

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  1. SkinnyD

    SkinnyD Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2006 Massachusetts

    so long story short...wort wouldnt cool and i didnt want to leave it open overnight to risk infection (which is probably another topic) but when i pitched my yeast, the wort had only cooled down to 100 degrees. woke up too late to check temp this mornign, but it felt room temp, not warm to touch.
    i know this topic has been discussed to death, but i cant find any reasonable answers. Its either "doom and gloom beer is ruined" , or "dont worry, beer is fine"
    im assuming the answer lies in the middle. All im looking for is drinkable beer. id hate to dump it..should i worry?
     
  2. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

  3. SkinnyD

    SkinnyD Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2006 Massachusetts

    if it were just that simple...
     
  4. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Yeast are living organisms and you will kill them at a certain temperature. At a minimum you made them less viable by pitching at such a high temperature. You should have put the wort in your sanitized fermentor overnight and pitched in the morning.

    Check it later today and tomorrow and see if there is any fermentation activity. If not, pitch more yeast.

    Make sure you address your ability to chill your wort before your next brew. Even pitching over 70 is not ideal for most yeast strains.
     
  5. SkinnyD

    SkinnyD Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2006 Massachusetts

    thanks, thats what i was thinking too...hindsight right?
    it was pretty cold overnight. i think im probably around 65-70 dgrees. ill check it when i get home. hopefully theres no major damage done
     
  6. SkinnyD

    SkinnyD Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2006 Massachusetts

    how concerned should i be about the "off flavors" is there a window of time I have to get the wort to temp?
    lets assume it started at 100 and 4 hours later was down to about 70. would that produce fusels?
     
  7. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Yes. The importance of wort temperature decreases over time
     
  8. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    Temp is less important during the adaptation (lag) phase, most important during the growth phase, and least important as things wind down during the conditioning phase. That said, obviously too hot or too cold is not good regardless.

    The lag phase can last anywhere between 3-15 or more hours (I feel like my last one was somewhere around 20, as opposed to the one before it that seemed to kickoff within 6 hours). Yeast strain and temp will play a role there. Your hotter temp likely could have given you a shorter lag phase. Yeast can also generate 5-10 degrees of heat when active. They say fusels are produced at temperatures over 80.

    To be honest, I'm not even sure how quickly it would chill just left in ambient, espcially inside where the drop may have been slower. My ferm chamber recently took like 4 hours just to drop 10 gallons from around 78 to 65.

    Also, If you don't see any activity, don't assume it didn't ferment. It very well could have ripped through overnight or while you were out today. I recommend looking for visibal signs like a krausen ring and taking a hydrometer reading.

    In the end though, the answer really is as simple utahbeerdude said, RDWHAHB. What are you going to do to change things now anyway? Might as well let it ride. If you wind up with some fusel bomb, you get to taste first hand an off flavor you can avoid in the future. On the other hand, maybe everything played out just good enough.

    The first beer I ever did (maybe 8+ years ago) was a Mr. Beer kit and I just found a dark spot in my basement. It did not come out so well. Fermenation temp control is key for improving beer.

    Side note, what did you actually brew?
     
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  9. SkinnyD

    SkinnyD Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2006 Massachusetts

    an IPA..got a citra pale ale kit from my local shop and supplimented with extra hops and bought some conan...it smelled amazing. id hate for it to be a waste because i was in a rush
    hop bill was as follows

    60 mins
    1 oz nugget
    .5 columbus

    20 min
    .5 columbus
    1oz centennial
    .5 amarillo

    5 min
    .5 simcoe
    1.5 citra
    .5 amarillo
    ( ended up doing half at 5 mins and the other half at flame out)

    DRY HOP
    citra 1.5 oz
    simcoe .5 oz
     
  10. SkinnyD

    SkinnyD Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2006 Massachusetts

    thanks..not sure what happened. im starting to question my reading. i cooled in a water bath and it dropped down to 135 within 20 mins..then added my wort (3 gal worth) to my fermenter with 2.5 gal of cold water and dropped it down to 115...3 hours later it was only at 100..by this point it was 330am and rather than leaving it overnight i panicked and decided to pitch the yeast. last night was as chilly one and we accidently left the windows open so it was about 55 in my house when i woke up. like i said i didnt have time to take temp, but the bucket was room temp not warm to the touch
     
  11. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Just a suggestion, but tubs full of water are great for cooling wort. That is what I do in the summer.
     
  12. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    Was hoping you would say a saison and we could all laugh and breath a sigh of relief. Those strains can take the higher temps (but still best to cool down to a more normal pitch temp and let it rise into the 80s or more).

    Time will tell.
     
  13. SkinnyD

    SkinnyD Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2006 Massachusetts

    UPDATE:
    WE GOT FERMENTATION!
    got home from work and took the temp. right at 68 degrees with a nice layer of krausen. just heard the first lovely gurgles 15 hours from when i pitched on the dot.
    it smells great! heres hoping i didnt do too much damage starting the yeast too hot.
     
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  14. SkinnyD

    SkinnyD Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2006 Massachusetts

    do i still need to worry about fusels? correct me if im wrong, but from what i read would they come from the duration of the fermenatation being too hot? not sure how long it took exactly to get to temp, but i would guess it was proably stable 10 hours later. would the "damage alrady be done" or will I be ok?
     
  15. youradhere

    youradhere Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2008 Washington

    I don't think you'll have to worry too much about off flavors with an IPA, assuming you don't cellar/age it any. You likely have it a touch of hot side aeration putting it into the fermenter at 100*, not a horrible thing, but you may taste some increasing slight cardboard flavor as the beer matures over time- but I'd think the nugget/Columbus bittering hops might mask that in flavor the short term.

    Get some 3/8 copper tubing (12-20") with some brass swedge fittings from Home Depot and make you an immersion chiller. It would take about 30 mins for me with the outdoor spigot cracked to a slow trickle of cold water to chill a 5-6 gallon boil down to 75*. You will want to shoot for cooler temps to pitch yeast, beer just tastes better in my experience that way, 60-75 was always my sweet spot. This is why I wait till fall to brew, when my garage/brew house would get below the 70s for good fermentation.
     
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  16. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Any potential damage has already been done. since you are already at 68, the only thing to do now is wait it out. Give it a few more days in the primary than normal to clean up potential off flavors
     
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  17. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Is that possible since he started out very warm.
     
  18. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan

    You left your wort for 3 hours and it was still at 100 degrees? If that's what your thermometer was saying you should really look into getting a new one that does not sound accurate at all
     
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  19. SkinnyD

    SkinnyD Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2006 Massachusetts

    i kinda had the same feeling...then again, it was 3:30 AM and i wasnt functioning fully..not sure what happened, but as mentioned, whats done is done. batch is bubbling away now. guess ill find out in a month. I do think i may keep it in the secondary for a few extra days. cant hurt it right? i still have 3oz of hops left for dry hopping
     
  20. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Yes to some off flavors and no to others. Unfortunately fusel alcohol takes a long time to dissipate
     
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