I'm pretty excited about my first lager

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  1. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    Sunday I brewed a SMASH lager. 1.050 with vienna malt and about 25 IBUS of perle hops. I am fermenting with mangrove jack m84 bohemian lager at 55 degrees for 2ish weeks. I'll do a 3 day diacetyl rest at 68 degrees. I will then keg and lager for about a month.

    any comments?
     
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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Sounds like you will have a tasty lager beer in a couple of months.

    Cheers!
     
  3. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Sounds good to me as well! Brewing lagers, to me at least, is addicting, and more exciting than a simple old ale any day.
     
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  4. popsicleian

    popsicleian Initiate (0) Jun 29, 2004 Minnesota

    I recently brewed a very similar beer as my first lager--same OG, IBUs, and hops. The only difference is that I used 10% Munich malt in addition to the Vienna and 34/70 for my yeast. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out, but If I were going to do it again, I'd probably use another hop in addition to the Perle for a little more depth of flavor.

    I used the brulosopher quick lager method, and while the beer was clear from the keg right away I found it got significantly better after a few weeks lagering. I think it's still improving as it sits, too.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    So what are your thoughts about the "quick lager method"? Do you think that lagers can genuinely be produced in a short timeframe?

    Cheers!
     
  6. popsicleian

    popsicleian Initiate (0) Jun 29, 2004 Minnesota

    I have read that a lot of people swear by it, but in my personal experience they still seem to need more time. This is still the only lager I've done, though, so it's hard for me to make any sweeping conclusions. It was crystal clear and drinkable, but not particularly good after gelatin fining and carbonating. It is MUCH better now, after about 4 weeks in the keg, and seems to be getting better still the longer it sits.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    FWIW it seems to me that the brulosophy folks 'sell' the clarification aspect of the quick lagering method but IMO there is more to what happens during lagering than just a clarification process. Your experience with your lager seems to bear that out.

    Cheers!
     
  8. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I would try really hard not to drink that keg too quickly. A one month lager is the beginning of potential greatness vs. the end.
     
  9. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    I realized when I got home that both satchets of yeast I pitched were "best before" 10/16. I used mr malty and found that I was short some cells. There was no activity so I went to the LHBS and got another satchet of yeast and pitched it. As of this morning there is still no visible activity in the carboy, the wort is actually clearing up. I pitched sunday evening. Should I start worrying?
     
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  10. Hogue2112

    Hogue2112 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2016 Ohio

    Sit back and drink a beer :slight_smile:
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Did you rehydrate the yeast?

    Some other homebrewers have discussed that they got slow starts with this yeast: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=433263

    Cheers!
     
  12. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    I re hydrated per mangrove jacks instructions. I'm used to slow starts from dry yeast but i've never seen the wort start to clear while waiting for them.
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Too soon for that.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I use dry yeast a lot but only for ales. My consistent experience is signs of fermentation in less than 24 hours (typically much less than 24).

    I have no familiarity with Mangrove Jack yeast or dry lager yeast.

    Hopefully you will see signs of fermentation soon.

    Cheers!
     
  15. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I have no experience with that yeast, but, the last 2-3 lagers I brewed had diacetyl issues. With future lagers, I'm going to start the diacetyl rest sooner, when the yeast are more active, and use a diacetyl force test to help evaluate whether it is time for moving to the keg.
     
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  16. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    Checked this morning and there was a little something forming on top of the wort. Hopefully low pitch rate doesn't ruin this beer
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It appears like you are seeing some yeast activity.

    FWIW it just sounds like this yeast suffers from slow starts. As long as your conducted proper sanitation hopefully this batch will turn out OK.

    Maybe use a different lager yeast strain next time?

    Cheers!
     
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  18. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Whoa, lager yeast are bottom fermenters... you sure you didn't get ale yeast by mistake? :rolling_eyes:
     
  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Sounds more like infection to me.:grimacing: :wink:
     
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  20. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    Haha, doesn't look like infection. This yeast forms krausen from what I've read.
     
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