Thankful for rice hulls

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by honkey, Sep 23, 2012.

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  1. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    I just got my Barley Crusher put for the first time today and I thought I would adjust the blades just a little for a finer crush. I don't have gauges, so I just moved it a little. Apparently, I moved the blades too much. I ended up with the worst stuck sparge you can imagine. Luckily I had rice hulls, but in order to drain the mash tun I had to use almost a full pound of them. So to anyone that is going to get a barley crusher, do not adjust the gap until you have gauges to measure your adjustment.
     
  2. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    Related to that, did this increase your efficiency over your previous batches?
     
  3. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    No... But if I vorlaufed as much as normal than it probably would have. I normally vorlauf 3 gallons or so, but tonight, I just vorlaufed until the wort was clear because of how slow it was draining. Efficiency is normally 80% and that is right at what I got today, (79%) but today, I probably only vorlaufed 3 quarts as opposed to 3 gallons.
     
  4. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Planning to get a Barley Crusher soon...what's this 'gauge' you speak of? Do I need some special equipment in order to fine-tune my crush? I figured there were dials/markers/etc or something on the crusher itself to make this clear?
     
  5. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    Well, it's still a good number. Hopefully the rest of the work will go easier. I'm sure it will make for a tasty beer in the end.

    Cheers!
     
  6. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    You need a feeler gauge, like you would use to check tolerances on an engine. It is impossible to measure thousandths of an inch by eye.

    I did see one person say the thickness of a credit card was about right for a grain mill, but that probably depends on the card...
     
  7. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Thanks! I had no idea. Since I know nothing about cars other than they have 4 wheels and burn gasoline (sometimes I'm a piss poor excuse for a male) what might I google to find one of these feeler gauges?
     
  8. skiofpinsk

    skiofpinsk Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2008 Pennsylvania

    You can pick one up at any auto parts or hardware store.
     
  9. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    Let's take a step back and read what we've written :wink:.
     
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  10. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Touche, sir, touche. It's been a LONG day :slight_smile:
     
  11. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Supposedly...all credit cards are 0.030" (0.76 mm).
    Barley Crusher's factory setting is 0.39".

    Setting the width to the thickness of a credit card on my BC produced a very fine crush with very few of the husks left intact. Next time will aim for something close to the middle.
     
  12. Danielbt

    Danielbt Initiate (0) May 4, 2012 Texas

    I get great results with .033" on my Barley Crusher. Be absolutely sure to measure and lock in both sides of the roller.
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Barley Crushers don't have blades. I assume you mean rollers. As has been said, a feeler gauge is probably the best way to go. On my mill, I dial in the desired gap with a gauge and then mark the body beside the adjustment knob just in case it were to move over time, though it doesn't seem to.
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The vorlauf (or lack) wouldn't have driven your efficiency much. Your finer crush probably increased the extraction/conversion from the grains, but this was offset by leaving more wort behind in the larger grain bed (due to the rice hulls).
     
  16. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    To my knowledge, the amount you vorlauf shouldn't change your efficincy. The amount of sparge water you use should change your efficiency. Am I missing something here?
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    A longer vorlauf could theoretically increase efficiency slightly, because it extends the effective time of the mash (if conversion and extraction were not otherwise complete) and it also recirculates the wort (though not much) which is known to result in higher efficiency. But the amount of recirculation would be so little compared with a true recirculated mash that I believe the effect would would be very, very small.
     
  18. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    When I started votlaufing more, my efficiency went up from 70% to around 80%. I used to just vorlauf until the wort was clear, and then after reading a post by HB42 a few years ago, I started vorlaufing at least two gallons every time. People also say when batch sparking that runoff rate doesn't matter, but I have found that a slower runoff does give me higher efficiency.
     
  19. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    I always keep rice hulls on hand if possible. They are cheap, and you never know when you might need them.
     
  20. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I agree with you on this one, since I slowed down the runoff rate of my batch sparge I have increased my efficiency to 85% from about 75% (per Beersmith, I got lazy and don't do my own calculations here).
     
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