What makes a "world-class" beer?

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  1. johnInLA

    johnInLA Pooh-Bah (2,350) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    To me, world class means the beer can compete on the world stage, at any respectable beer competition, against any other brewery on the planet.
     
  2. Zorro

    Zorro Grand Pooh-Bah (3,258) Dec 25, 2003 California
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    World Class means it blows everyone who tastes it away.

    Not just you, hundreds or thousands of beer fans.
     
  3. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    World Class, huh. There's more than a few here didn't feel the earth move sipping on a Heady, so look at the ratings. Who's right? Really everybody it is what it is, even if your drastically in the minority. Individual palates are just different.
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe a homebrewed version will get 'your motor running'!!:slight_smile:

    Or maybe not.:flushed:

    Cheers!
     
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  5. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I'd guess ah.. Yes!
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, we shall see.

    My guess is that it will reach peak of flavor in another couple of weeks; or maybe not.

    You just gotta love adventure!!:slight_smile:

    Cheers!
     
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  7. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    How long from bottling to glass would you say would be optimal? I think I read you bottle condition your beers. Would that account for the time? Heady is released at 8 weeks old I believe, the same kinda scenario?
     
  8. MikeyBadnews

    MikeyBadnews Zealot (635) Dec 10, 2013 Massachusetts

    My title was changed by the admins to be a little more informative as my original title "A novice question" was pretty vague.

    I was more asking what separates a brewer who puts out a beer that would be defined as world class compared to another brewer who uses similar ingredients and gives us something that woefully mediocre.

    I was looking more for answers of how one beer turns out to be so much higher quality than others.
     
  9. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    There's been too much emphasis on style in this thread. A beer doesn't need to be compared to similar beers to be considered great. Consider the reputation for Orval. In addition, a style can be constructed around a group of immitators of a classic. The most esteemed beer of a given style might have originally been a solitary beer that defined a style by spawning immitators.
     
  10. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    I think it's almost entirely subjective, but the one criterion I would put on a world-class beer that is somewhat objective is completion. A world-class beer should be exactly what it's trying to be, a flawless execution of the designer's intention that becomes flawlessly communicable to its consumers.
     
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  11. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    What makes a world-class beer? The half naked women in the commercials =)
     
  12. beardown2489

    beardown2489 Pooh-Bah (1,966) Oct 5, 2012 Illinois
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    World class is in the eye of the beholder.

    I think there have been several good answers, so I'm just going to list beers I think are world class.

    Why don't you go buy theses beers and then find some others that fit in the same catergoies. Compare them and see for yourself what makes them world class.

    pretty much anything from Weihenstephaner...
    Ayinger Celebrator
    Founders Imperial Stout
    Firestone Walker Pivo Pils
    Bells Amber
    Allagash White
    Pliny the Elder (still a flawless beer)
    Unibroue Maudite
    Goose Island Summertime and Sofie

    For me, these are all beers that I wouldn't dare suggest any improvements on because I know I'd sound dumb

    They are all clean, they all deliver a rounded and distinct flavors, and consistent.

    Side Note: IPA is a crazy style. There is so much innovation and variation. Id suggest saving yourself the time. I love Pliny, but I'm in Chicago and have found several IPAs I enjoy more that Pliny, but I would never dare argue against anyone telling me that Pliny is world class.

    I think world class is about execution. It isn't necessarily about intensity of flavor.
     
  13. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I applaud you for picking some unusual/personal choices. You've made it clear that it's the eye of the beholder. Is it possible for you to elaborate on why you picked Goose Island Summertime?
     
  14. NCMonte

    NCMonte Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2014 North Carolina

    I can not answer the why or what, but having grown up on Sour Beer brewed by Wicked Weed, then having had my first Cantillion a month or so back I can tell you there is a difference. Folks talk about balance ... it is true, you can taste it. Folks talk about depth, it is there and noticable. It is the reason we don't run down to the gas station and grab 12 packs of Shlitz.
     
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  15. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Agree with most of the above posters that world class is subjective. I would add though that said beer is made (perhaps originally) with love/passion :rolling_eyes:
     
  16. Gaddabble

    Gaddabble Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2014 Ohio
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    There is some truth to this (obviously), but I also think that a consensus of the quality of something subjective can be powerful enough as to border on objective certainty. For example, I think there is enough of a subjective consensus that it borders on objective certainty that, the Beatles produced better music than Men Without Hats, that the Godfather is a better movie than Showgirls, that Picasso produced better art than my 5 year-old daughter, and that Rochefort 10 is a better beer than Molson Ice.

    Likewise, I think that one can differentiate between liking something (subjective) and thinking that it is of high quality (objective...or at least closer to objective). Again, for example, I like Jane's Addiction more than The Beatles, but I think that the Beatles are definitely a better band. Likewise, I like Pumking better than Heady, but I certainly don't think Pumking is better than Heady.
     
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  17. CJNAPS

    CJNAPS Pooh-Bah (2,492) Nov 3, 2013 California
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    I agree with him. Was going to say the same thing. Cheers
     
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