No activity after transfer to secondary...

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  1. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    Ever since I transferred to secondary haven't seen much if any activity. was in primary for 4-5 days, not poof nothing,.. what gives? I sat there for 20 mins no bubbles.
     
  2. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Well, it should only be in secondary once primary is finished, so you really shouldn't see anything. Or at least that is how I always understood secondary.
     
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  3. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Yeah, if primary fermentation is done, there is no more sugar to restart fermentation if you transfer to a secondary. If primary fermentation was not quite done, the remainder of the off-gassing of the CO2 is will be minimal and it's going to take a little while for it to fill the head space and begin to bubble in the air lock, if it will at all.

    What's your reason for using a secondary, and how much head space is in there?
     
  4. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    About a half inch,.. this Recipe needs time for the Vanilla Bean to soak in. I mean I can smell the beer, it's just odd that it hasn't done anything. Maybe I'll take a reading in a few days I guess. But you'd think you'd randomly see at least one bubble. Smells good at least.
     
  5. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    Awe shit,.. Um,.. will Whiskey kill Yeast? I might have added the Bourbon a little to early...
     
  6. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Did you take an OG and FG? Also, why do you want to see fermentation bubbles in a secondary?

    Spirits won't kill yeast so long as you're still in the alcohol tolerance range.
     
  7. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    1.070 was OG, Still need to pull a FG. I'll do that tomorrow. Side note, I am getting a Refractometer for Christmas :grinning:. I guess I am thinking I still need to see bubbles for some reason. I mean it did bubble for 4-5 days, when it got less than 1 bubble a min I transferred over, should I have waited?
     
  8. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    You'll see on this forum that it's common brewing practice to leave the beer on primary until you are sure it hits FG and for at least a few days after that to let the yeast clean up after themselves. I tend to let my beer hang out on primary for 3-4 weeks. I'm not brewing in a conical, I'm in no rush to drink, and I won't drink a beer that isn't at least 6 weeks old. Why bother, is my thought. I don't secondary unless I am oaking, adding fruit, or I'm doing a sour. It looks like I'm in the majority, but it's not uncommon to see brewers doing their own thing:

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/dont-secondary.387698/

    I won't knock you for racking to secondary. I will knock you for not checking and rechecking for FG and for moving your beer too soon to secondary.

    If all of the fermentable sugar is out of the beer, then you won't see bubbles in secondary. Bubbles are a sign of fermentation, but lack of activity in a bubbler is common--even if your beer is actively fermenting.

    Make sure you use a conversion for your FG when you use your refractometer. EtoH skews the brix reading on your plate.

    That said, you made beer and it will be tasty.
     
  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I'll be very blunt here, but I'm not trying to be an ass.

    Bubbles don't tell you shit about your beer! Stop paying attention to them!

    IF you are going to bother with a secondary, then make sure the beer is ready, figure out what the gravity is and THEN transfer IF it is where it should be. Your beer will thank you.
     
  10. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    So basically leave in primary until all the alcohol is produced and secondary is basically only for flavor? Check the FG over a few days then when it's stabilized, meaning everything converted then and only then transfer to secondary IF you need to, to add flavors, otherwise just start bottling? I'm excited for my refractometer because I hate wasting brew.
     
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  11. daem3384

    daem3384 Zealot (691) Nov 24, 2015 California

    The secondary is only for extended aging. Leaving the beer on the yeast for more than like 6 weeks, give or take, could cause cell autolysis which makes your beer taste like soy sauce. BUT, keeping it on the yeast for ~7-10 days at a minimum is usually a good idea so that the yeast can clean up any diacetyl or acetylaldehyde that was produced. After that, if you aren't planning on bottling for another 2 months, then a secondary is a good idea, but otherwise it doesn't really matter.
     
  12. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    I just checked the gravity. Surprisingly it is where the recipe states it should be 1.020. However, the abv is a little low though because the recipe states that the OG should have been 1.086. What could have caused the OG to be a little lower? Would taking 30-35 mins steaming wort away to get it to boil cause that?

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    http://www.brewersfriend.com/abv-calculator/
     
  13. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    Just out of curiosity, I tasted the sample and it tastes pretty good, I mean flat, but pretty damn good. you can definitely tell it's a lighter porter, but that's ok. The vanilla still needs time to come out just yet, but over all it's looking good :slight_smile:
     
  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Essentially that 30-35 minutes was steaming water away, not sugar, so the OG would have been higher than expected. Unless you started with extra water to allow for the boil-off, or if you added top-off water after the boil to get up to the volume level of liquid for the recipe your OG reading would have been too high for what the recipe calls for.

    Was this an all-grain brew? If so, then the efficiency of the mash is probably the issue to look at.
     
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  15. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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  16. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    My porter came out to 6.43% and i find it really brings out the smell and flavor better. I'll probably go lower next time.
     
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  17. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    I think I prolly boiled off almost a gallon to get it to temp. I added more water later once it was cooled and in the primary fermentation bucket. But if the sugars where still in there how would the OG be lower? If I steam the water way to boil the wort then add it again later, to bring it back up to the 5 gallon mark, would that make the OG lower, if so how? Also, if this IS the issue sounds like I just need to start off with more water taking the account of boil off to get the full 5 gallons between the kettle, extra boil off water and the sparge water.

    Partial grain/extract brew. Full grain in the works.

    ???
     
  18. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    I used the Brew Craft USA Denny Conn box,.. what did you use?
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You could boil to your heart's content and top off to the original volume over and over again. OG would not change.
     
  20. daem3384

    daem3384 Zealot (691) Nov 24, 2015 California

    You probably just got bad extraction from your partial mash. That would cause fewer sugars in your wort, so filling it back up to 5 gallons would cause a lower OG.
     
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