American Stout Recipe review

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  1. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    Hi all,

    Been brewing beer for several years but for some reason never ventured out to make a stout. I make a of PAs/IPAs but wanted to try something different for the colder months.

    Below is the recipe I just came up with. I always do 5 gallon batches but this time I want to do a 2.5 gallon batch just as a test run (less money for ingredients, less bottles, etc. etc.).

    I'd love some constructive criticism from some more experienced stout brewers. I went pretty basic with the hops and tried to limit the variety of grains so I know what I'm liking/not liking about the beer after it is ready.

    Any comments about the grain bill would be highly appreciated!

    All-Grain / Hop Pellets
    Target Batch Size: 2.5 Gallons
    Target Boil Size: 4 Gallons (I usually lose about 1 Gallon for a 60 minute boil. However, most of my beers are heavily hopped and I lose about a 1/2 gallon (sometimes more) to the trub when transferring to secondary. Do you think 4 Gallons is a bit much? I don't expect to have too much Trub with the amount of hops in this recipe. Maybe 3.75 Gallons is more appropriate?)

    OG: 1.066
    FG: 1.017
    ABV: 6.0%

    IBUs/Hop Schedule: 53
    0.5 oz Zues (60 min) - 50 IBU
    0.25 oz Centennial (5 min) - 3 IBU
    1.75 oz Centennial (Flameout/Whirpool) - 0 IBU
    0.5 oz Zues (Flameout/Whirpool) - 0 IBU

    Grain Bill:
    4.0 lb (64 oz) Brewer's Malt Two Row - 65.57%
    1 lb (16 oz) Munich - 16.39%
    0.4 lb (6.4 oz) Crystal 80 - 6.56%
    0.4 lb (6.4 oz) Chocolate (Briess) - 6.56%
    0.3 (4.8 oz) Roasted Barley - 4.92% (Roasted for 30 mins at 350 degrees)

    American Ale WYEAST 1056. I was planning on using US-05 but it would bring the FG way lower than I want.

    1.5 Gallons of Strike Water (Planning on mashing at 158 degrees).
    3 Gallons Sparge Water (I always boil more than needed, just in case).



    Thanks all!
     
  2. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Looks very hoppy to me, I would go 30 to 40 IBUS for an American stout. A matter of preference I guess. I also usually go with more roasted barley in a stout than chocolate malt, in my mind at least that's what separates stouts from porters, but let's not open up that can of worms.
     
  3. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    Appreciate the feedback!

    When you roast your barley, do you prefer a higher or lower temp/shorter or longer time frame?
     
  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    I think your DIY approach to the roasted barley will not get you the sharp roastiness of a roasted barley purchased from a commercial maltster. I don't think it would be bad, but maybe seem less stout-like than you might be after. If you have your heart set on the DIY roast, give it a shot and tell us about the results.
     
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  5. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    Yea I've heard that a DIY roast will not give you the exact results you are expecting. The roastiness is usually pretty muted from what I understand. My LHBS has pretty much everything I've ever needed, so I imagine they may have roasted barley. I'll find out tomorrow after work.

    If not, I'll do a DIY roast because I plan on brewing this Friday. I'll let you know how it works out if so.
     
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  6. daem3384

    daem3384 Zealot (691) Nov 24, 2015 California

    I'm a huge fan of using Black Patent with roasted barley in my stouts. It gives a nice dry counterpoint, and awesome color. For your recipe, I would use like 2-3 oz.
     
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  7. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    So just add Black Patent or substitute for something else? 2-3 oz would probably add roughly 2 points to my OG. I could move adjust to keep it at my preferred OG.
     
  8. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

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  9. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    I was looking at that earlier but being a scientist I have the overwhelming urge to always do something different than what has been done already. My favorite part of brewing (besides drinking my creation) is developing the recipe.

    I'm obsessed with being unique I guess. That usually means I have to brew a recipe multiple times before I'm actually satisfied.
     
  10. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    I totally agree - forming recipes is one of the most enjoyable aspects of brewing. I was just wanted to point this recipe out to you in case you missed it.

    That being said, the advice already given is good- too hoppy and more roasted barley. Also, i recommend maris otter as base malt.
     
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  11. daem3384

    daem3384 Zealot (691) Nov 24, 2015 California

    I second marris otter as the base malt.

    Yes, you just add the black patent. It will compliment the roasted malts you already have.

    If you're still worried about it being too hoppy, I really like using a single early boil bittering charge of Magnum hops; they're super neutral bitterness that's perfect in stouts. You'll only need like 1 oz or less at 60 min
     
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  12. redgorillabreath

    redgorillabreath Zealot (511) Mar 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Just finished consuming 5 gallon batch of this. It was delightful. I plan to make a 10 gallon batch to get it into inventory and improve the chances of aging!

    If you want to do your own thing, why not? If you want to make a good Stout that you can put your own thumbprint on in subsequent brews, it's a great take off point.

    Cheers!
     
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  13. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Some flaked oats goes a long way. I love what they do to beers, especially in stouts.
     
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  14. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    Loving all the suggestions guys. Thanks!

    Never used marris otter before so I think this will be a good test. I plan on switching it to the base malt.
     
  15. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    I'm not sold on using MO as a base. I've brewed a couple stouts now using Golden Promise and I'm not sure it's worth it. I think there is so much going on with the roasted and chocolate malts that you cover up what a MO or GP malt is known for. And at that point, why spend the extra money?
     
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  16. redgorillabreath

    redgorillabreath Zealot (511) Mar 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    In my case I buy MO in 55# bags so I'm saving money. If I used enough Pilsener malt, plain old 2-row, etc., I suppose I'd have thatby the bag and have a decision to make.
     
  17. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    The accountant in me would like to point out to you you don't save money by spending it. You're just paying less than you would pay for it by the pound. On top of that, you could purchase 55# bags of 2-row for a lot less than MO.

    In your opinion, do you think MO adds that much to a stout?
     
  18. redgorillabreath

    redgorillabreath Zealot (511) Mar 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    My level of experience is considerably lower than some others on this forum, but here's my answer...

    First this is totally subjective and I've seen this discussion a number of times. My first 5 gal, non-kit brew was a SMASH Ale with MO, and I still try to keep it (the Ale) on hand. In that case it's all on its own, so it's relatively easy to get a handle on its character. I've used it in Belgians, Barleywine, IPAs, and some adventure recipes I made up. I think there are certainly recipes where it wouldn't bring much to the table, but I think it does add to a Stout. If it was a stout where subtleties got drowned out (practically the case with a pest-smoked Stout I made) it can't contribute much. But in more subtle recipes I think it can help round things out in a good way.
     
  19. redgorillabreath

    redgorillabreath Zealot (511) Mar 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Make that peat-smoked Stout.
     
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