Kegerator service in Boston

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  1. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    Hi all,

    My company has one of these nostaglia single tap kegerators with a half keg of Harpoon IPA in it. I kind of adopted the project when i started a month ago to set it up and do any service and have had nothing but issues. First, my co2 bottle keeps leaking out. I have used different lines and doubled checked everything making sure it is tight. Even when we had co2, then beer was a little foamy and not that carbonated.

    We are just looking to get the kegerator fixed and serviced because i really does have the time to keep messing with it week after week. Does anyone know of any beer/appliance companies in the Boston area that do service. We are in the Hancock tower if that helps.

    Thanks in advance,

    pfabs
     
  2. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    The problem is that it is a low end unit and will require tweaking and working with it to get it pouring properly. I suspect you will also have trouble finding a service guy to come look at it, and if by chance you do, his answer may be that there is nothing wrong with it, it is working as badly as it was designed to. He will then charge you a third of what it originally cost for that insight.
    I say this from the perspective of someone with a low end unit, it will take work to get it going and requires time and effort.
     
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  3. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    You've got this rather poorly designed kegerator and are using it for commercial use. Note the price, $450 .
    https://www.amazon.com/Nostalgia-KRS2100-Cubic-Foot-Kegorator-dispenser/dp/B000HJVYDQ
    The price is the first and last consideration. The price determines everything. And if it doesn't work right, well, it wasn't designed to work. It was designed to sell at$450.

    What you need is something more like this
    https://www.amazon.com/Beverage-Air...492221&sr=8-1&keywords=beverage+air+kegerator

    Note the price, $1,350. That's a good price.

    If my math is correct, the Beverage Air is $900 more than the Nostalgia. It is in fact three times the cost.

    So either the Bev Air is a ripoff or the Nostalgia is crap. But you'll never see a Nostalgia in a commercial setting. Never.

    My best advice is to suffer with crappy pours or cough up the cash. You can fix the Nostalgia, but after you spend the time and the money you'll wish you had the right equipment in the first place. Sell the Nostalgia. Buy a used BM 23 or True. Craigslist.
    Cheers,
     
  4. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    Thanks for the insight guys. Lemme clarify, it's not being used in a commercial setting, it's in our break room at work so I guess it will get more use then an average kegerator at home but not nearly as much as a commercial one. One of the guys bought it for the office on a whim so I doubt there was too much insight into the quality. I guess I'll get the co2 bottle refilled and keep fiddling with it after hours in hopes for some better consistency and less foam. I was reading some other threads, would a tower chiller help with the foaming issue at all ? Any help is greatly appreciated. I have a decent amount of experience with brewing beer but this is the first time touching a kegerator.
     
  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Yes, you need a tower cooler. It is a requirement. First order of business.
    While you are at it, get yourself 20 or 30 feet of 3/16" x 7/16" beverage line. #2. You'll need maybe 6' to 10'. You are going to learn to replace the line. You are really going to enjoy getting into that bent shank in the tower. Fun times ahead!
    Replace the faucet. #3. It makes a difference. Good faucets feel better too.
    The regulator is probably wonky. Cheap regulators are notoriously crappy and will fail. It's just a matter of time. So plan on it. #4.
    Your coupler is possibly passable, but there are some God awful plasticky Chinese couplers out there. And they save maybe $5 over the perfectly acceptable economy couplers. Price point. #5.
    Not sure about the Nostalgia T-Stat. This is the one that won't go to 38 without the hack? Can't recall. Assume the worst. #7.
    The tower is flimsy. But you can keep it I think. Until the chrome flakes off anyway. Bonus.

    So, what's left? Nothing really. It's now just a box with a compressor. That too will fail I fear.

    Sorry to be a killjoy here but the truth is many folks come here with crappy kegerators, pour foam, don't enjoy the experience and lose money everytime they should be happy with a nice draft beer.
    I don't get it.
    Cheers.
     
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  6. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    haha thanks for the insight. believe it or not, nolstalgia forgot to ship the regulator included so thats already upgraded to this one right here. so i already got that taken care of. I had a feeling the faucet was shit. it would lock up the following day and you would really have to crank on it to get it pouring more foam. I doubt the coupler is any good too. I have a feeling thats where my co2 leak is happening from and yes im using metal clamps and did not crank them down too much, only time will tell. in terms of the T-stat, i imagine your talking of the knob on the back that says low/medium/high ? :grinning: Also not sure what you mean by your bent shank and tower comment lol.

    I have a feeling that when i tell my boss i need x/y/z parts to fix this he'll say just get them ordered and not care about the price so im not too worried about that.

    Now that's all taken care of, any good websites for all this shit i need which im assuming is:
    1. new beer/Co2 lines
    2. tower cooler
    3. faucet
    4. coupler ?
    5. t-stat ? ( if replaceable?)

    Amazon would prob be easier to source but if you have another site that is a one stop shop that would work too.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  7. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    Link below is what i put totgether so far, i think this will do the trick. Figured out what a Tstat is on my own lol. With your guys blessing i would like to get this stuff ordered by our office manager so we can get the beer flowing!:

    http://a.co/85pTVlU
     
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  8. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Most excellent.
    You'll need a faucet wrench too. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00829HKFE/ref=wl_mb_recs_3_title
    The bent shank I was talking about is just that and there is a special tool to get to the nut holding it in place. You can kind of sort of get at it with the right pliers. If you have the money and don't care that this tool will be used only when you replace the beverage line, then here you go.
    https://www.amazon.com/Kegconnectio...46&sr=8-17&keywords=draft+faucet+tower+wrench
    This kit has the wrench. It's also for homebrew but you see the tool, it's what you want. Find it by itself. It's a basic wrench but will do the job. You'll see...

    Not sure if you will need the outboard T Stat. I seem to recall that the Nostalgia can't get down to temp without some internal tinkering. The Inkbird, or any outboard, will override the internal thermostat but if the internal T-stat cuts out at 40, it will override the external T-stat. So measure the internal liquid temp by placing a cup of water inside and checking with a good thermometer. Good thermometer not the junk rolling around your kitchen. You want to be at 38. And that should be 38 with some room to spare on the dial, not 38 flat out. So check it out before you buy that.

    Get more than 5' of 3/16" beverage line. Too short. That's really not what Kegco should be supplying for homeowners. Start with 9 or 10'. You'll want extra anyway for when you replace the line.

    Everything else is workable.

    Source? Just go with Amazon. If you really want to spend too much time on this you can probably save 10 or 20 shopping around but this is basic stuff.

    Worm clamps. They do get loose over time and are not used in commercial places because of that, but perfectly fine for everywhere else. Check them after a month.

    One last thing. Blue gas line? Many of us around here have a running joke that red is the best. Blue is fine but red is always preferred. It just is.

    Cheers.
     
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  9. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    ok thank so much billandsuz. im gonna grab a thermometer tonight and test the water out tomorrow to see if i need the outboard T-stat or not. I believe I have a tower wrench already but will double check. I'll find some longer 3/16 lines and get those cut and installed.

    Btw what is the end on that line for the 2nd link you gave me and is it a bad idea to use hard plastic beverage lines that you can buy locally from Lowes/Home Depot for either line?
     
  10. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Lowes and Home Depot do not carry 'plastic beverage lines',they carry bulk tubing not meant for food or drink contact. You need to buy actual beverage lines from a place that sells, well, actual beverage lines.
    I personally wouldn't go with the rear closing faucet you show. Rear closers promote beer glue or the stickiness you describe because the mechanism is on the outside of the shut off, i.e. after the beer pours the mechanism is left to get dry and sticky since it is exposed to air. On a front closing faucet there isn't any mechanism exposed to air (there isn't really a mechanism at all), and the faucet will not stick. I like Perlicks, but there are other brands.
     
  11. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Oh, and one more thing, that faucet is chrome plated. You should get stainless. Again I come back to Perlick.
     
  12. matthewp

    matthewp Pundit (856) Feb 27, 2015 Massachusetts
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    With regards to your CO2 leak, have you used soapy water to find the leak? Get a spray bottle and fill it with water and dish soap. Spray down anywhere CO2 could leak from. You should see bubbles form where the leaks are. Sometimes even when you think you've got the leak there's still a leak somewhere else. If nothing bubbles try spraying the places that haven't been sprayed and you think there won't be a leak. You might try isolating various parts of the system as well since you might be leaking from multiple areas. Cranking up the CO2 level temporarily can also make a small leak into a more noticeable leak.
     
  13. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    That is a ball lock connector for a Corney keg, a Pepsi keg used by homebrewers and not what you want. But it's the first pic I found with a tower wrench, so there you go. You want the tower wrench. Not something Amazon seems to have identified, or they probably have some other name for it. It is a one of a kind tool with one purpose only. Have you ever been under a sink with a wrench and thought "Damn it I will spend $20 on a basin wrench and I don't care if it gets used once." That's a tower wrench.

    Use beverage line. It must be 3/16" ID and it should be 7/16" OD, not 5/16". Thicker walled tubing. It matters here. Do not use hardware store tubing. Get 20 or 3o feet, you will need it later when you replace the line in a year or two.

    Good luck.
     
  14. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    I will add
    Be certain you have a washer on the regulator. It's hard white plastic or felt. OR look at the regulator stem and see if you have an integral o-ring. That is a very common leak area and can empty a tank very quickly.

    Otherwise replace the worm clamps. Replace them and tighten.
    Cheers.
     
  15. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    WOW guys! tons of great info, ill be sure to read over all of this and try the soap trick to find my leaks, hopefully new parts and new lines will make no leaks happen. First things first i want to make sure i can get the damn beer to 38 degrees in the first place, im giving up lol. But yeah Doug, those Perlick faucets def look like a more premium and slick option. Prob gonna go with that. Ill give you all an update in the am.
     
  16. matthewp

    matthewp Pundit (856) Feb 27, 2015 Massachusetts
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    Also do a google search on "nostalgia kegerator temperature adjustment", you'll get tons of info. You can take apart the thermostat and adjust the screw to get it colder.

    You won't go wrong with perlick faucets either. Love mine.
     
  17. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    will that shorten the life of the compressor/ fridge parts on the kegerator ? matthewp?
     
  18. matthewp

    matthewp Pundit (856) Feb 27, 2015 Massachusetts
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    It will make the compressor run more but the alternative is to pour foam. Its kind of like asking if you set your fridge 10 degrees warmer will the fridge last longer? The answer is yes but if your milk spoils quicker every week does having that fridge last say an extra 6 months matter?

    In all reality you are probably talking a few degrees which probably doesn't equate to having the fridge run that much more than its lowest normal setting. The temperature is key here not for quality but for chemistry. Its a matter of at what temperature and pressure the CO2 will remain soluble in your beer. Others on this forum know far more than I do and can talk more about this but without the proper temperature you might as well just quit.

    You can get a keg into the Hancock building? I think of mostly conservative companies in that building. I kind of miss working in downtown Boston until I drive in there :wink:
     
  19. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    thanks for the advice, ill have to get parts ordered and get a thermometer to see what temp im at currently. And yeah, thats the startup life lol.
     
  20. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    So guys i got everything on order, $245 later hopefully i can get this POS flowing smooth. Think one of the biggest things for me is the fact that my beer and co2 lines were prob around 6' which cause a bit of foam. Thinking a combo of making the beer colder ( which i still have to confirm/deny), making the lines 10' long and adding the tower cooler as well as adding insulation will make a big difference.

    I'm also hoping SS parts as well as quality lines will lessen the probability of checking for leaks. None the less i now know to check before i hook up the beer and start using the keg.

    I'll update you guys later next week on my progress.
     
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