Tired Hands (January 2017)

Yeah, I just meant that it's not exactly the same as if you'd add the juice right to your finished beer like a shandy - rather than during the boil or primary/secondary fermentation.

 

Yeah one of the local breweries down here (The Veil) has been making a lot of IPAs with fruit added, and I have found that almost every time this results in a thinner, less fruit-flavored beer than their regular IPAs. I'm no brewer, but my theory is that fruit sugar is more fermentable than malt sugars, so fruit juice fully ferments to alcohol while malt leaves some residual sugar, which provides body to the beer. Supplementing malt with fruit therefore results in a thin, dry beer. I really wish they would stop doing this or improve on their process in some way.

 

I'm pretty sure that for Toof Ache, Veil adds orange juice to dry it out, not add citrus flavor. Obviously this isn't the case for Cruicial Aunt and the other fruited beers, but i think there's something to your theory.

 

Whether their is residual sugars (e.g., dextrins) from the base malt is dependent on the mashing regime utilized by the brewer to produce a given beer. They could also utilize specialty malts (e.g., crystal malts) as part of the grain bill to increase residual sugars (dextrins).

I would expect that the majority of sugars provided by fruit would be simple sugars (e.g., fructose, etc.) and consequently highly fermentable.

Needless to say but the fruits contain other compounds beyond sugars and these other compounds would constitute the flavors associated with a given fruit. The simple sugars would constitute the taste of sweet.

Cheers!

 

Just had Crucial Crucial Aunt Aunt and Lord Lord Shredder Shredder and both were too sweet for me. Maybe I needed to let them sit for a minute but they were cringingly sweet. That being said I love all of their other stuff and when my family visits they usually bring some up.

 

I have totally joked on this thread about tossing chairs etc but then I showed up and was confronted by the hundreds of chairs I realized it would take too long. Jk I joined them and had a few in the Ferm, felt weird doing it but it was also 20 degrees out and I spent that dollar.

 

To add to Jack's comments - the final gravity of the beer is also controlled by the variety of yeast, and what it's level of attenuation is.

In general, if you ferment the same wort with say a Belgian saison yeast vs an English Ale yeast you are getting a drier, thinner beer vs. a sweeter, fuller bodied beer.

So there are a lot of variables, but yes adding simple sugars will typically thin out a beer or increase the ABV without adding any body.

 

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Hey BA, i am the one who challanged the chair system yesterday.

I usually lurk this page just to get a feel for how releases will go, but after seeing so many comments about the ridiculousness of waiting behind chairs, being shut out on a recent release, and also reading a hilarious DDB article, i decided to bring this foolishness right to their doorstep to see what they had to say about it.

I showed up at 4 with a line of probably 50-60 empty chairs up front, not a person in sight. I went directly up front and stood in front of the chairs. Around 4:40 physical people began to claim their places in line and questioned me about my chair. I made some facetious remarks about buying one on craigslist and moving my chair that morning before they got there. Then things got awkward. Grown men turning to babies before my very eyes! Multiple people threatened to "beat my ass" if i didnt move. One especially tough guy told me how someone like me would be pistol whipped where he was from LOL.

Now don't get me wrong, i was being a dbag and those people have the right to be upset, but that being said i was delightfully basking in the pool of hypocrasy! My goal was not to make anyone feel upset or cheated, but to force Tired Hands as a brand to tell me i must wait in line behind empty chairs. I made my best attempt to be as polite and courteous as possible, but when i refused to move, the General Manager, Chris and Executive Chef, Bill came out to address the situation.

They were very kind and understanding of the dilema, but in the end i was disappointed to find that in Chris' words "we think it's a good system." They would not embrace the notion that it was their system as a brand, but rather ours as consumers... I made my best appeal that allowing this is degrading and emasculating to loyal customers, but it seems they would rather cater to this system of release. I was asked to leave and chose not to buy beer that day.

At the end of the day, it's just beer, and i will never lose sleep for missing a can, but i was very happy to open this discussion up further and force THBC to take an official stance. I'm not really interested in exchanging insults about who is entitled to what, but i am lobbying for change! If anyone agrees with me, i urge you to express your feelings on this subject, and call it what it is, horse sh*t, to management, until hopefully they condemn it once and for all. I imagine [email protected] is a good outlet for this!

Please don't take this as a bashing of Tired Hands at all, obviously we are all here because we love what they do. But it's upsetting to see all this negativity festering over a simple failure to take action. Thanks for your interest in my story and i apologize for such a long-winded post!

Cheers

 

Thanks for the reply, I saw it on Instagram and just really curious what happened. The chair thing has definitely stopped me from going to more releases. It just makes people get there earlier and earlier. It is crazy getting there at 3:30 and being all the way back onto Lancaster Ave... Some people definitely abuse the "system" that is in place right now, the people that drop off a chair at lunch and then go back to work that is ridiculous, it is one thing to meet up with people or get some food, but you should at least be in the area.

At this point the system is what it is and I am hopeful that the new space next to the cafe will help with the can hype and long lines. I really wish they would have more available for pours so that you could come in a few days later and hang out and drink the beers (I know they do that, but sometimes the legs kick quickly).

People just need to be cool about things, both sides saying the other side are entitled doesn't help anything. People just have to act like adults and not idiots and keep things in perspective. It is beer and not worth fighting anyone over. Sucks that something that should be fun and social has become the opposite.

 

Well done! You put your money where your mouth is! Takes a lot of balls to do what you did!

 

Do you know exactly what the function is for the "new space next to the cafe"?

Cheers!

 

No idea at all, just trying to be optimistic.... it does have a liquor license so they will be selling beer in some form.

 

I've stayed away as well. I liked grabbing a 4pk here and there to try out and then go inside and have a few beers and a burger. But i hate lines and more-so the people that cut those lines of which TH has always had tons. Now it takes less time and money to brew 2 cases of beer myself then to try to grab a 4pk there so I've been doing that. I'll head up to Hidden River on the weekends to try new and interesting things.

 

If the purpose of this new location is to sell Tired Hands beers where will this beer be coming from? It seems to me that Tired Hands is already limited from a production perspective (e.g., selling out their canned products in a matter of hours). What could be available for sale at this new location?

Cheers!

 

heavyspaghetti.. that's a funny screen name...

like others have mentioned in here, the current chair system allows TH to not have to do the work involved in doing the tickets... they tried the bracelet/ticket thing once and it didn't work out the way the consumers wanted, so i guess they ditched it, i personally think they should have tried the ticket/bracelet thing again... tickets worked for the bottle releases on sundays at the ferm, granted allocations were vastly different but i think the ticket thing would have eventually worked for cans too, alas chairs it is!

The more important part to me is that they are allocating stuff so that people can get there and put chairs down or roll up at 6 pm and buy stuff "most" of the time.

Lots of people are able to get the beer and are able to get a decent amount too, it hasn't yet hit TreeHouse level where the allotment is done per can instead of per four pack... even monkish now is having to do half 4pks... let's hope that doesn't happen at tired hands... being able to get a full case per person must releases is very nice.

no system is perfect, not everybody will be pleased...

You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need

remember to let it bleed

 

So, your personal issue is not so much the whole chair thing but the whole waiting in line to buy beer thing?

Cheers!

 

Why should he have to wait in line behind a bunch of people who put out chairs and chose not to wait in line? There in lies the hypocrisy.

 

I don't think those things are exclusive at Tired Hands

Lines are inevitable in life, but today I value my time more than Tired Hands beer.

 

Can you educate me on the specifics of the issue here? Was it that folks assumed that everybody that was issued a ticket would purchase a full allotment? When you wait in a line, do you have any idea whether the people in front of you will be purchasing a full allotment each? Isn't the idea that unless you are in the front of the line there is no 100% assurance that there will be beer for you when you get to the purchasing area?

If they wanted to try the ticket thing again they could issue the number of tickets on the assumption of each purchase would be a full allotment and folks who did not receive tickets could be informed that the fact they were not issued a ticket does not 100% mean that a sellout situation is assured; they could come back later (and I suppose wait in some form of line) for 'sloppy seconds'. Maybe make the leftover beers available for sale the next day like is how it works right now (sort of). This would at least result in a lesser line than exists today.

Needless to say but a ticket system would be counter to having the hype/promotion that a chair line brings.

Cheers!