Breweries Opening in the Minnesota 2017

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by KarlHungus, Jan 2, 2017.

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  1. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    I can't like this post enough, & I've been preaching this for a couple of years. Most people drinking 'craft' aren't neck-deep in the rabbit hole like most of us, they're just looking for something with more flavor that Michelob. These breweries with flaws so obvious to many of us are just one more flavor of craft beer to a lot of people (including plenty of people I know).
     
  2. iRun2Beer

    iRun2Beer Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2015 Minnesota

    612 has baffled me for years, I don't know how they can stay successful. I've had a few beers there I would call average, the rest were well below average, or flawed. It's in a prime location, even though it's less than 3 blocks from 3 other breweries who all make better beer.

    Eastlake could probably survive solely off their location even if their beer never improves. I've had some awful beer there, but all the awesome food options in the Midtown Global Market bring me back at least once a year.

    Another one is Lakes & Legends. They had a really really rough start. I haven't been back since, but heard they've made huge improvements (someone else would need to verify). Again...the location is amazing and even while going through their rough start they didn't seem to have any shortage of customers.

    Canal Park is another example. Great location...sub par beer, but they seem to be doing OK. I don't think a brewery could fail in Canal Park honestly (but we'll soon find out if it can sustain two...).

    As others have said, I think location is the biggest contributing factor for new brewery success right now. At least in urban areas like the Twin Cities. Other really good breweries in smaller areas will obviously be just fine like Disgruntled and Junkyard to name a few, and perhaps rural areas can sustain subpar breweries because their residents don't have any better options (or don't know better options exist).

    We've been talking about the "craft beer" bubble for quite some time, and while the lengthy post above stated that craft beer growth has slowed, I don't think we need to worry about the bubble bursting anytime soon. But perhaps, at least in the Twin Cities, we're experiencing a taproom bubble?
     
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  3. SudsSavant

    SudsSavant Savant (1,038) Jan 9, 2007 Minnesota
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    Rye IPA + Sour Patch Kid flavoring = profit
     
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  4. iRun2Beer

    iRun2Beer Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2015 Minnesota

    FTFY :wink:
     
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  5. JakeJohnson

    JakeJohnson Pundit (897) Jan 30, 2015 Minnesota
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    When I went to Lakes and Legends in December, I didn't have anything that convinced me that they had improved since their opening. They are on my watchlist along with Clockwerks. Clockwerks is in an even more crowded location and had an arguably more disastrous opening than L&L. They recently hired a real brewer, so I expect they will at least improve their quality in the coming months. Even if quality improves, their beer lineup is generic styles that provide them with no differentiation.
     
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  6. morimech

    morimech Grand Pooh-Bah (3,803) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota
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    The cost I heard for Waconia Brewing was $1.25 million (I heard this second hand FWIW). They lease their space.
     
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  7. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    Regarding Utepils I'm not familiar with that part of Minneapolis that much. Is that a decent area? Where does it get sketchy in north Minneapolis?
     
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  8. Chumley22

    Chumley22 Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2013 Minnesota

    I haven't been to 612 in quite a while but I have to respectively disagree about Eastlake- I have never had anything I would consider sub-par and flip side, many that I thought were very good! Dank Aaron for one, is a very good DIPA that I have enjoyed very much and I know a lot of people don't go for the style but their double black IPA on now (2nd anniversary offering), I think is excellent.
     
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  9. JakeJohnson

    JakeJohnson Pundit (897) Jan 30, 2015 Minnesota
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    I didn't see it mentioned before, but Utepils got all of their licenses just before the new year and brewed their first batch on Wednesday. They are scheduled to pour at the Winter Beer Dabbler on February 4th. I guess they can start paying off that $5.5 million of debt.
     
  10. dbhammel

    dbhammel Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2016 Minnesota

    Agreed, granted it's a single data point but I saw a late version business plan from Bauhaus and it suggested they opened for just about $2 mm. I'd be shocked if Utepils and those like it are investing $4-$5+ mm to open.
     
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  11. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    I've only been to Eastlake once about a year ago but thought they were decent enough at the time.
     
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  12. surfninja

    surfninja Devotee (315) Oct 21, 2015 Minnesota

    L&L was packed Thursday night. Took a while to get a beer. Location and taproom.

    The last time I was at Eastlake, the fruit flies where attacking me and the beer tasted like beer line cleaner. I haven't been back.
     
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  13. Chaz

    Chaz Grand Pooh-Bah (3,668) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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  14. HammsMeASAP

    HammsMeASAP Pundit (931) Jun 14, 2012 Minnesota

    Utepils,

    a Pilsner, Alt and Kolsch?

    Yes, please.
     
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  15. KarlHungus

    KarlHungus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,315) Feb 19, 2005 Minnesota
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    I"m all for breweries making those styles as long as they're using German malt, German hops, and German yeast. Unfortunately, this is almost never the case with American brewers, and what they end up making is an India Pale Pilsner/Alt/Kolsch. The quickest way for a brewery to lose me as a costumer is to claim to brew traditional European styles, but instead brew bastardized, over hopped versions of those styles. I hope Utepils bucks this trend, but my experience tells me not to hold by breathe.
     
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  16. TheBasedElliot

    TheBasedElliot Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2016 Minnesota

    I've sat down with Dan and can say with certainty that project is now north of $4 million. He's known from the beginning there's still room in our market for a brewery of their intended caliber and props to him for successfully pouncing on it.
     
  17. dbhammel

    dbhammel Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2016 Minnesota

    Cool, I don't pretend to know more than I do, I'm excited to get in there and see what they can do. Well made German beers are right up there with some of my favorites.
     
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  18. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    I could not agree more. I got excited when Bauhaus opened with a seemingly german lager like slant....but it is just all americanized like you state....not saying it is bad but I just would appreciate someone other than Schells (which is great) doing some true German style beers. To be honest I think Fulton Standard is a kickass vienna style lager....really loving that beer.
     
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  19. surfninja

    surfninja Devotee (315) Oct 21, 2015 Minnesota

    It is tough getting the 'German style' malt profile from any American base malt in a single step infusion mash schedule. German hops and yeast are pretty easy to use but unless the brewer knows how to use German malt, American malts will be the choice ('just add water, stir and it is converted').

    BSG does sell Weyermann German malt but it might be more expensive than Rahr (WAG - haven't looked at the price sheet). Without a bit of brewing process magic, using slightly under modified pils malt, local craft breweries will have a better chance to mimic those German styles.
     
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