Monkish Brewing (January 2017)

I think it is a nice option, but I do hope people get their heads out of the "only Haze" thing. Some really solid west coast IPAs are still being made.

 

I guess I'm not too informed, but is there such disdain among craft brewers for "Hazy IPA's"?
Is it comparable to sports purists, like baseball purists that refuse to change anything about the game?

Or is this more of a "Hey kid get off my lawn!" mentality of people not liking change, in general?

Not sure whats so flawed about it, in all honesty. It's beer and for the most part, it's delicious.

I'm not a huge fan of Quads, but if they had this type of following, I'd have nothing against.

 

Some brewers, like Julian at Beachwood, certainly seem to be deadset against it. I think in traditional brewing methods the turbidity/haze is seen as a sign of an improper brew.
https://craftbeercellar.com/blog/2015/09/cloudy-with-a-chance-of-turbidity/

 

There is a difference between an entire style (quad) and variations of a style (NE vs West Coast IPA).

From what I've heard, brewers spent years mastering techniques to make the IPA clear and a cloudy IPA was traditionally seen as poor execution. So I think there might be a contingent of "old school" brewers who feel the haze craze is fueling laziness in the industry since they aren't taking the extra step of filtering their beer.

Having said that, I'm also guessing that the judgment against cloudier/unfiltered IPAs in the past was also because most were probably not filtering beers that were made entirely with malt and, if I am not mistaken, the NE-style brings in a lot of oats which soften up the mouth feel and, for whatever reason, people decided to not filter it. Perhaps because it tastes like juice, they may as well leave it unfiltered so it looks like juice too.

Having said that, I like it. Having said that too, I like west coast IPAs a lot as well.

 

Cheers for the link!

 

Daewon is great. Next Level riding for a long time. Cool to see his name pop up here.

Damn, that was so long ago back when he came up in the 90s. Mullen, Rocco and the World guys. Glad he is still going with Mullen at Almost.

My kids would even play as him on the Tony Hawk video game series.....haha...

 

There are 2 main differences that make the New England Style India Pale Ale from the west coast.

One, is yeast. The yeast used does not flocculate, or clump together, as well as the other yeast that are used by West Coast brewers. The better the yeast flocculates it will fall out of solution easier, making a crystal clear beer easier. With the NE IPA you have yeast that does not flocculate very well. Yeast particles stay in solution and leave more surface area for the tasty hop oils and aromas to stay with the beer. Also the New England style yeast yields a sweeter, more tropical flavor profile when digesting wort sugars. With the west coast beers you have yeast that give off a bitter and dry profile.

Second, is sequence of adding hops. NE IPAs do not add the majority of the hops during the boil.
Most of the hops are added at flame out, whirlpool, or dry hopped later. And here is where I feel that NE IPA SHOULD have been the preferred style. With a NE beer you are tasting more of the flavor profile of the hops than you ever would with a west coast IPA. All of the hoppy goodness would have been boiled away. Should the NE’s and West Coast be in the same category? I don’t think so. I think the intent and the spirit of the brew is trying achieve completely different things. This is like saying would like a minivan to be judged in the category of a pickup truck.

So no they are not the same and i would support them being in two different categories. Sorry if i started explaining things that people already know. i think its worth discussing why these beers are distinctively different and are very much their own beers.

 

Reported. You are making too much sense.

 

Well put. I understand if someone doesn't like the style, but don't understand wanting to eradicate all those beers. Seems foolish.

There are beer styles I don't like, and don't buy, but I have no desire for those beers to be eliminated from the world

 

So what you're saying is that because something as old as beer has been done the same way thousands of times, that you don't like others for perhaps pushing boundaries or paving the way for more progressive styles of beer?

I think there's a place for the traditional ways of brewing beer, and as beer drinkers/enthusiasts we all have our favorites that follow the "old fashion way" of brewing guidelines, however I'm not going to discredit those that have spent time doing something different that genuinely tastes delicious just because it breaks the mold. Again, I respect the guidelines established for what is or isn't supposed to be a specific style. These are just different, and it doesn't make them any worse.

Can't say the same about some of the crowd that gets behind them though.

 

I get not liking the hype and shitty behavior that surrounds this trend. Totally on board with that. But I can't see the desire to see that style of beer totally disappear. Clearly many, many people like them, so why would you want to take your toys and go home? Choice is a good thing.

 

Double IPAs didn't exist 25 years ago... what's this guys point?

Mr. "Respect the Beer Style Guidelines" probably only listens to blues records because, clearly, they're superior to rock n' roll (it existed first and is less trendy).

 

There's one can release this week and the rain is coming as well. Should be fun lol


From their website

• Week of 1/16-22: ONE can releases this week. Please follow us on Instagram for the most up to date information. You can also turn on post notifications so you know right away when the release will be!

 

"Or you can just pretend to be a transient in our parking lot until the release, whatever floats your boat"

 

But, but, but it looks like baby diarrhea.....

 

First off @Shysty ... great post!

Should the NE-style IPA be the preferred style given the history of using hops to help ready the beer for transport? I can't imagine that a NE-style would travel to India as well. Haha.

Or is it just about taste at this stage of the game?

 

To some extent, this applies to the other side of that coin with the no haze no care bros.

 

To be fair, the industry can be slow to recognize a new style.

 

Just remember, IPA was not "created/invented" to make the journey to India.

http://zythophile.co.uk/false-ale-q...vented-ipa-to-survive-the-long-trip-to-india/