Assassin/KBBS day 2017...

Yup, how dare you not slog through pages of shitposting to find that info!

 

Next time I won't bother answering you then. It was easily obtainable info was my point.

 

Was there a post about the bottles that were at Rubaiyat on release day?

 

DDHsue, Xhops gold, Sosus, mozee, 1492, Hopsmack, cans of Sue gnugget and psunami.

Think that is everything.

 

Looks like Clark told a guy on Twitter last night the he is "banned from future opportunities" as the guy told him he sold his bottle of KBBS for $1100.

 

I am interested to see how he might enforce that

 

So Clark, a guy who is no stranger to hyping up his product, doesn't want the secondary market. Seriously people, just let the people who actually want to drink the beer get a chance, rather than some douchenozzle who has more money than he/she knows what to do with buy it.

 

They probably would just put his name on a list and throw it out if it won any type of lottery/drawing/ticket opportunity.

There are ways around that (mules, etc) but it would be pretty easy to keep that name/ID combo from getting any in the future.

 

The past few big bottle releases have required you to enter a fair amount of information. If they have your name, they should be able to get that additional information and use it to blacklist you in the future.

 

Could be wrong... but haven't heard any issues with Side Project releases... And you can make an argument their beers are on if not a higher level... They seem to have figured it out. Those around side project seem to have ample opportunities to try their gems. While at the same time holding "prestige" in the beer community -

To me this seems pretty simple (this has been said before).

It's not people are landing their KBBS and trying to flop it for profit as their intention. It's the fact that it can land 1K. I'm sorry but it's hard to drink a beer that someone will easily pay you a thousand dollars for, no matter how much you want to try it. It's human nature.

The question is how much would you pay for a bottle of on sight consumption at the tap room? $50? $100? $1000? If bottles were available there at a reasonable cost, the trade value would plummet back to "normalized" prices, and people would be 100% less likely to "sell" their bottles...

It's actually a simple solution. If you got $50 - go buy your bottle at the tap room - drink it there... Bottom Line = More people get to try it. Still release some bottles into the wild as well. win win.

 

I started a thread in the beer talk thread, inspired by Clark's tweets last night, about the impact of profiteers on craft beer availability and how tap only releases affect that (if anyone is interested).

It's amazing what a difference on-site consumption makes. My friend was in Oregon last year and went to a bottle shop that had some really high end beers in stock. The catch? On site consumption only. That keeps people from going in with a handful of mules and cleaning them out (like the guy I knew who had multiple cases of BCBS last year despite pretty stringent quantity limits).

 

This a pretty naive idea

 

That would be pretty interesting. Do the people who work at the brewery pour it for the customers to ensure no one sneaks out a bottle? I can't imagine how much a KBBS bottle would be if they did in-store consumption and someone managed to sneak one out.

 

When I have been to Side Project Cellar, they open the bottle and pour the first pour and then hand you the bottle and the glass. I would suspect that would stop most, but if someone really wanted to, they could just hand bottle or even re-cap the bottle and then sneak it out. But a handle bottle or missing a pour would greatly devalue the beer, so it would kind of work.

 

Why bottle if you go this route? On tap only.

 

Right, that would probably be best, I just know some places have the bottles and then still do tap room only.

 

You'd almost have to have a total growler ban during the on-site consumption. TG has had issues with people dumping Term Oil and other non-growler beers into growlers.

 

A lot easier to police (with our help of course) the on-site growler folks than the 'I only go to TG for whale release and then I sell the bottles" folks. At least the growler dumpers made it to the taproom without the promise of secondary whales and they run much greater risks of getting caught. I'd greatly prefer neither happened, but that's asking too much and it's an easy choice for this "should be board member".

 

Really the only unfairness in the re-selling issue imo, is the fact that the money is not going to the people who produced it, but rather someone who was fortunate enough to buy it for a below-market price.

If you think you are entitled to buy something for less than it's worth, you're wrong. The fact that TG is willing to sell their product below market value so people get to try it is noble and great PR, but leaving money on the table for others is the cost of that choice. Honestly, I don't think they really care as much as you want them to about it. The re-selling thing gets people talking about their product, gets news stories written about them and generates incredible hype which they benefit from.

 

Cory got pretty mad at somebody about a year ago that came to a release and turned around and put the bottle up on some FB group that same day for some ridiculous price. He was sarcastic about the whole situation, but you got the point. I know it wasn't long after that when they announced Derivation 6 would be on-site only. However, I see bottles out there of D6, so I'm guessing he changed his mind or some regulars were allowed to grab a bottle to go.

The simplest way around this mess is to make a ton more beer. It's that simple. The problem then is that initial market for the beer will suffer and thus the brewer stands a chance of losing money. As a brewer you have to love the hype and you have to love when you don't have to sit on any bottles while trying to sell them. However, that's a double edge sword as naturally a secondary market gets created. It's funny, because I can see being upset about folks that only entered the lottery in hopes of winning and turning a profit. It absolutely blows. That said, the folks that are saying it would be awfully hard to drink a beer that you might be able to pull $1K for are absolutely right. Although I think these folks at least had the intention of drinking their KBBS when they won the lottery. Since I was lucky enough to be a winner and end up with a KBBS and a couple of Assassins, I can certainly understand that. However, I worry about karma. This might be my one and only opportunity to drink KBBS as I might not be so lucky in the future. I'm not missing out on that opportunity because I might be able to turn my $70 beer into $1K. I'd just go blow it on beer that likely wasn't nearly as good, so why bother.

I am glad that TG is somewhat trying to police this. I heard they did turn away some people last Friday that they caught trying to pre-sell/pre-trade. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but I did hear it happened. I'm not taking any chances though and although it seems the bottle numbers did not identify any customer, I still don't let my buddies that want a photo of the bottle to take one with the bottle number. It would be my luck they would post it somewhere and TG would think I'm trying to sell my bottle. Not taking any chance and not screwing up the karma scale. I've been very lucky the past 3 months when it comes to beer events, tickets, and raffles, so noway am I taking a chance of screwing that up.