Anyone trade less because of the new trade forum?

so when:

- you mention you have a daughter named isabelle so someone please send you an isabelle
- you mention your mom passed away from cancer so someone please send you a framboise for a cure
- you lowball ad nauseum for blabaer (inspired in part by surgery for your wife)

all of that is ok. it's not underhanded heart-string tugging, attention-seeking, or annoying.

but if i point it out, i'm an obsessive troll.

if you don't like being called on your bullshit, maybe stop posting bullshit? i have rarely seen anyone work so hard to brag about his expansive cellar and yet avoid making a fair offer.

/my dad's named dave and my mom was struck by a yellow bus. my son is named framboos.

 

It doesn't sound like it.

Cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.

I want you to add: "an ostensibly public internet message board" to the two items you have listed. Now, which of those three things is not like the others?

Look, it's not entirely about wanting to trade-shit or embarrass people. It's not about the money, either. It's about sending a message. This forum needs better and more entertaining discussions (like, frankly, the ones we used to have). And I want to give it to them.

 

I have not taken much note of you before, black13, but your posts in conjunction with Levitation's observations have now attracted my attention. I will be following your future endeavors with great interest.

 

I'm sure this is what most people miss. I just don't understand why entertaining discussions can't be had anywhere else but in someone's ISO/FT's. It just looks like people need someone to make fun of...or otherwise need someone else's expense at whom they can otherwise have their fun. Seems pretty petty and childish. You can send a message. Privately. Mission accomplished...except you don't have any fun. It makes it seem like sending the message isn't the point. It's the fun derived from the manner in which you send it. Again...if the responses were productive, the ability to reply to ISO's would probably still be active. But it's a gong show, so it's not.

 

while i have a strong suspicion that i disagree with a lot of overlord's implied esthetic judgments, i have to admit that the ISO:FT threadshitting was significantly funnier than much of the forced-meme wannabe comedy elsewhere at BA.

at the same time, that's sort of like pointing out that something is more fun than being hit directly in the face with an aluminum bat.

 

Let this be my last response to Levitation.
Yes my daughter is named Isabella! Yes I made a funny diatribe about Blabaer and my wife's surgery. All fun and games.
Yes my mom did die from cancer. Sept 28th to be exact! You crossed the line on that one! The next time you feel like making a reference or statement, how about excluding the death of family members!

 

dude... you mentioned it, and tried to milk it. that's not something i could have known unless you had posted it.

sorry for your loss, but don't pretend i crossed the line by mentioning something YOU posted. i've lost family members to cancer and i found your iso shameless, classless, and disrespectful.

 

Indeed.

 

@auction threads:

1) report them,

2) i'm john auctioner. i want to auction off a beer. here's what i do:

FT: beer i have that i know lots of people want.
ISO: beer a few orders of magnitude more valuable than my beer.

1 of 2 outcomes ensue:

a) i actually get the valuable beer. i then flip-or-drink it.
b) people PM me "lowballing" my offer, or at least trying to negotiate with me. i take part in "negotiations," ie stall for time as i field other "negotiations." AKA i hold an auction.

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this cannot be policed with rules. you need to call out scammers, and (more importantly!) keep "The Whole Point Of Trading" in mind and not fall for bullshit like that.

p.s. note, john auction above is a bit of a moron too, since he went to all that trouble and probably just ended up ticking a 5 year old american wild ale or something. tweeted about it, and the 20 people who read the tweet didn't give a shit.

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edit2: Some Trading 101 (Trading 102?) Notes About This Post's Hypothetical

1) if you see john auction's sleazy ISO, PM him a beer you're willing to give up for the beer he's offering, and the trade goes through, things aren't really going badly. maybe he's not going to be the guy who kills you with extras or sends you an unsolicited box full of your wants, but so what?

2) if beer continues to get more valuable, note that you also have to, unfortunately, advert to more than just forum etiquette to look out for scammers. e.g. you'd think from my posts that i'm the warmest, most generous man on earth, but maybe i'm a scammer! (dramatic music)

 

Actually...no. But I found it distasteful to see people who weren't even remotely interested in the actual ISO/FT teeing off on it because, well...they could. I suppose you're right in regards to vague ISO's and what is blatantly an auction. However...even in ISO's that are clear cut, I've BM'ed offering other things not even listed, and gotten things done. I'm sure LOTS of people "counter" with offers not listed. Is it not an auction then too?

I admit, there are SOME merits to having replies enabled. And I'm sure SOME people would use them to a productive end.

 

I don't really get why anyone cares if someone decides to try to "auction" beer anyhow. If you're too dumb to realize you're taking part in an auction and getting had, then you need to wise up. Live and Learn

As long as all parties are happy and agree on whatever the hell they agree on, even though it's rediculous and lopsided, who gives a shit. Some people really care about beer advocacy and some don't. That's their right i suppose. If they wanna trade solely to mazimize the amount of beer they can get, let em. Don't like it? Don't trade with them. My .2 cents.

 

I do. The beer market is a delicate equilibrium, fueled by a combustible mixture of rarity, hype, greed, teeth gnashing, ethylene glycol, and somewhere on the list taste, smell, etc. These transactions do not exist in a vacuum, they are amalgamated into The Beer Trading Market(tm) and they affect all of us. Folks use these transactions to dictate prices, distort markets, and prevent traders from getting a fair deal.

It's because of this dynamic that organizations such as the Federation of United California Traders (F.U.C.T.) were originally conceived. And through the iron hand of collective bargaining, fairness for all was ensured. That paradigm has been broken due to the stifling of free and impartial speech from third parties.

 

It was boob surgery.

(I think)

 

So what is it you think should be done?

 

Never has a "pics or gtfo" comment been more warranted. However, I will refrain from engaging in such tomfoolery.

 

1.)Remove all moderation except for the following: posts that advocate serious lawbreaking such as violence, posts that reveal personal information about users, and obvious spam/advertising. Repeating the same thing over and over again without entertaining us constitutes spam.

2.)Create a "miscellaneous"/"catch-all" forum. If a thread doesn't belong where it's posted, rather than being summarily wished into the cornfield it is moved there. Off-topic stuff goes there.

3.)To oversee the transition of what sure is to be a chaotic and exciting time, appoint me as Supreme Chancellor with authority to nullify and/or approve trade offers. When this time of crisis has passed, I assure all of you that I will happily step down.

 

overlord killin it

 

terrible idea that would just encourage more stupidity from Wannabe Forum Heroes outside of the off-topic section. flood of unfunny in-jokes pervading the entire site.

 

Feel free not to click on that forum?
profit?
They can set it up so it doesn't feed into the "new posts" and you have to click on that forum to view new posts.