Belgium & Germany - April 22 - May 10

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  1. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Hello all.

    My wife and I are planning to travel somewhat of a lightning tour in the 17 days that we will be in Belgium and Germany. We will travel by train and walk to places that interest us (mostly it will be beer-related destinations, but some touristy things too). This is all kind of a scouting trip for another visit next year if all goes as planned, thus the reason for a whirlwind tour.

    We are starting in Brussels and will be there for a few days, and plan to take a day trip to Brugge on the third day (although we are still considering an overnight stay there instead of a day trip). Then the train from Brugge to Bamberg for 3 days, then Nurnberg (2 days), Regensberg (2 days), Munich (3 days), Heidleberg (2 days), and finish up in the Frankfurt/Wiesbaden area before flying home from Frankfurt. The last two cities will be spent visiting friends, so not a lot of beer stuff will be involved there. I don't think this schedule is overly ambitious knowing that we will repeat some of it next year, so if we don't see very much in any city, there's always next year. Is this itinerary too ambitious?

    Each city seems to have quite a walkable beer culture scene, and there also are numerous hotels that are centrally located to permit walking tours for getting around. We're at the point of selecting hotels and making reservations, and so many of them seem to have good ratings, etc. so that our choices should not be too difficult. There are probably some stinkers out there too which concerns me, so I'm hoping to hear of your recommendations for accommodations that have been conveniently located and not so overly expensive.

    Thanks for your help.
     
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  2. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Sounds completely do-able. Check out the Eurail pass, they usually group the Benelux countries together, but for ballpark $250 pp it's a solid deal.
     
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  3. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Entirely too ambitious. Here is what you should do:

    Day 1: Fly in to Brussels or whatever.
    Day 2: Take the train to Düsseldorf.
    Day 3: Find long term lodging in Düsseldorf.
    Day 4: Find work in Düsseldorf.
    Day 5 - ?: Spend all of your time and money at Uerige.
    Day ?: Die contentedly.

    Haha, no I'll give you a serious reply when I'm sober. Have fun on your trip.
     
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  4. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    That is very doable. Look into the Eurorail pass, and how many days you think you will be traveling. One other thing is to consider that when in towns like Munich, you can get an affordable day pass that will be less than a day on the Eurorail pass. We used day passes in Munich, and bought a one day Bayern-Bohemia pass to go to Pilsen from Regensburg. So Eurorail for long distance travel is the way we look at it.

    Spend a night in Bruges, it can be wonderful at night when the tourist busses have gone, and you can wander the town.

    I would make it 3 nights in Bamberg and one in Nuremberg, but that is just me.

    Munich is a city that you can spend weeks exploring. If you can find a day that they have an English tour at Ayinger, take the S-Bahn down to Aying, take the tour, then go to the Ayinger Bräustübrl for food and more drink. Get the "Beer Drinker's Guide to Munich", or spend time on the web site to plan your beer excursions. There are also many museums, churches, palaces, and historic sites to see.

    Wiesbaden is wine country, and there are many weinguts down the Rhein that have good views and food. The beer scene in Wiesbaden is from the bigger breweries.

    Places to stay? We like staying at breweries if they have rooms (Fässala and Special in Bamberg for example), or Airbnbs.

    Send me a message if you have more questions.
     
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  5. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Great info, Jeff. Thanks.

    I did get the "Beer Drinker's Guide to Munich" last week but have not had time to dig into it yet. I have looked back about two years in these threads and think I have a good idea on where to go to drink beer in the various cities/towns. (Really, is any place bad? Somehow I don't think I can go wrong with choosing any brewery's taproom, which is where we likely will focus our visits until the evenings when we might be thirsty again. Then we'll hit a bar.) I'll look into a day trip to Aying too.

    I have not yet taken a look at train schedules to see whether we'll be wasting our time in the mornings waiting on trains when we change destination cities, but I get the feeling from comments in these threads that trains run a lot more often than we Americans expect.

    Yeah, I wasn't expecting much beer culture when we visit our friends in Heidelburg and Wiesbaden. We're okay with drinking wine.

    Thanks also for the PM contact offer. I'll likely be picking your brain as soon as I know what questions we still have.
     
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  6. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Just on a side note - 17 days in just Belgium and Germany is not a "lightning tour", and I am personally glad that you dedicate so much time to just these 2 regions. Too many times people spend 10 days in Europe and see London, Paris, Munich, Berlin, Prague, Rome, the goofy Disney castle, some wacky relatives in Black Forest and the back through Amsterdam to catch the flight home. You plan is solid and you will get a great feel for both counties after your long stay.

    Please post your pics as the working slugs of the world must enjoy vicariously through you.
     
  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Check back in mid-May, there should be a travelog with pics. :slight_smile:
     
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  8. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    In all seriousness, if I had to make any changes to your itinerary, it would be to add a day in Düsseldorf, although I'd be hard pressed to tell you what you should cut out. It's one of my favorite cities in Deutschland to go out and have a beer. I think many people here might say the same about Cologne, but since I was never really able to spend quality beer time in Cologne, I'll leave that for others to say. Each should be easily reachable by high speed train from Brussels.

    In Heidelberg, the two main brewpubs are Vetters and Kulturbrauerei, both are in the tourist district. I enjoyed both. Vetters (IMO) has a very nice Helles Lagerbier, and with Kulturbrauerei I usually ordered whatever was on the "der Brauer empfehlt" sign ("the Brewer recommends"). There's also Palmbräu, which I think has its own beer, but not brewed on site (if memory serves). Heidelberger is a local brand, but not particularly highly thought of even by the locals. Ditto Eichbaum. Welde is local, and I thought their No. 1 Pils was pretty tasty frisch vom Faß although die Frau disagrees. When in doubt, drink Rothaus. Rothaus Pils (aka Rothaus Tannenzäpfle when in a 330 cl bottle) is delicious. There's also a nice Weinstube down a side street off the Hauptstraße called Der Schnitzelbank. Despite what the name might suggest (it's a reference to a woodworker's bench, not the pork cutlet), their food is really good and they feature good wines from the region.

    At least, all of this was true three or four years ago when I lived there, things may have changed since. :slight_smile:
     
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  9. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The trains run often. Go here for schedules. If you miss a train, wait an hour for the next one is our saying.
    http://www.deutschebahn.com/de/start/

    Susan says special deals are only on the German language site. Do you read German?

    What I have used to Refresh - Duolingo just type that into your search engine and download the app.
     
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  10. FrankenBier

    FrankenBier Zealot (645) Feb 4, 2003 California

    If you are talking about the "Sparpreis" tickets (translated as "Savings Tickets") where you pick a specific train on a specific day, those are available on the English site as well.

    I lead a group every year that includes Bamberg, Düsseldorf, somewhere in Belgium (usually Antwerp) and some other random beer city. Often times we are able to buy 1st Class cheap tickets for cheaper than a Germany-BeNeLux railpass. But you do give up some flexibility (as in "I was out too late the night before and don't want to get up for my 9am train..." :slight_smile: ) Last December we did Berlin-Bamberg-Düsseldorf-Antwerp for €150 or so per person -- in 1st class except Düsseldorf-Antwerp which was on a DB ICE Bus. This also included seat reservations.

    One time we bought Germany only rail passes from DB and bought a separate ticket from the border to Antwerp. Just depends on how many travel days you have.
     
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  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Susan said she found the Bayern-Bohemia pass on the German site. Used that for a day trip from Regensburg to Pilsen and back. Think it was €35 for 2 people. Yes it depends on the days, the level of train, regional specials, and so on. One nice thing about the Eurorail is that you can take the ICE trains. Going to Pilsen we were on a milk run with old rolling stock, but it worked. We have also had a Bayern pass on previous trips, anywhere you want to go for 24 hours, and it was pretty cheap. Went from Bamberg to Munich, said dang it is early afternoon, hopped on the BOB and went to Tegernsee to have some beers looking at the lake and the Bavarian Alps. Fun day.

    I have to admit, she does the planning, I do the driving! If there is driving, which you need for some parts.

    Edit - it is like flying there a so many fare schedules. You can pay a little, or a lot. When we lived there, we got a DB pass and used it a lot, as we got half off fares. I had a company car and a tank of gas to burn on the weekends, but sometimes driving is too much stress and parking is expensive too.
     
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    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Your tour does sound like a great time.
     
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    FrankenBier Zealot (645) Feb 4, 2003 California

    It is not so much a tour as a bunch of beer geeks traveling together, drinking beer. And open to anybody -- we set a schedule and people are free to join us for any or all. We've been doing it since 1998 and is centered around Sticke day at Uerige. Roughly it is a week before that and a week after. This year we're taking on Salzburg after Bamberg (Odd numbered years we go west to east and even numbers the reverse)
     
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  14. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Thanks, I might have to contact you later in the year. Am I correct that you were one of the Sticke Warriorsfrom years ago?
     
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  15. FrankenBier

    FrankenBier Zealot (645) Feb 4, 2003 California

    Yep, that's us...
     
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  16. bostonvert

    bostonvert Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2017 Belgium

    I second this, Dusseldorf is definitely worth it!
     
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    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Well, it turns out that we want another day in Munich and one at the end of the trip in Wiesbaden to visit our friends there, so the two days in Nurnberg just got cut from the itinerary. Was that the best choice if a city has to be cut?
     
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  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I have only been to Nuremberg once, that was a long time ago, never have been back. Bamberg, Regensburg, and Munich have been revisited often. We lived in Wiesbaden and see friends there. So that is what I would do.
     
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    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Can anyone recommend a hotel in Munich that is fairly close to the train station and also convenient to some of the better breweries? Or is a taxi going to be in our future?
     
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    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The ones we stayed at are a little farther out, but never used a cab. You can get about anywhere in Munich with public transportation. You can take the S-Bahn (commuter trains), U-Bahn (Subways), Trams (Streetcars), or buses on your daily ticket.
    http://www.mvv-muenchen.de/en/network-stations/network-maps/index.html

    If you find a hotel, ask which tram, bus, subway ot S-Bahn to take to their location from the train station.
     
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