Back to my roots...AAL

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Giantspace, Feb 11, 2017.

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  1. johnInLA

    johnInLA Pooh-Bah (2,350) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    I have a bit of a different tack on this.

    Rather than back to my roots, I see myself as being lucky enough to see the limited options of my youth has explode into a true beer renaissance. Which has lead me on an endless journey of exploration of great beer.

    I came of age when the choices available were AAL and limited European imports. I have many fond memories of nights out drinking AALs. As such I have never developed the negative attitude that many of my fellow BA have toward this style.

    I view it as a style and judge it accordingly. There are good ones and poor ones.

    My view has always been, drink what you like. Any true BA will guide you to what you like. verses what you are "suppose to" like.

    So if you've found a AAL you like. By all means, drink it and enjoy it.
     
  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    But the "original" Andeker recipe - pre-WWII, then re-introduced in 1956 and up until around the early 1960s (around the time it was first bottled, previously it had been draught-only) was all-malt* - thus it wasn't an AAL. :wink:

    Pabst started using corn in the recipe at that time but returned to an all-malt recipe by the 1980s (according to M. Jackson's 1st Pocket Guide).

    * Yeah, sounds like A-B's Michelob's history - not a coincidence, obviously.
     
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  3. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I found your reaction fascinating john0721, mostly because it's SO different from mine.

    It sounds like you and I are of a similar age, with a similar background when it comes to beer. I was living in N. California when I first started drinking beer, so at least Anchor Steam was sometimes an option (but was so "prohibitively expensive," that I almost never bought it). However, for the most part, given my limited budget and limited options, night's out for me an my friends consisted of visiting pizzerias and similar inexpensive restaurants, and ordering pitchers of whatever BMC variant was the nightly special. A few places might have Heineken or Carta Blanca on tap, which if we were feeling rich, we might sometimes order. However, most of the time we would order some type of BMC, which we were content with (but then again, back in the day - in the late 1970's - this was really all we knew or could afford). Like you, I have a lot of fond memories from those times.

    I think it was probably in the late 80's and early 90's when I really started getting into craft beer (microbrew back then). What struck me immediately about the pale ales, blonds and ambers that were available, was just how much flavor they had. I think what hooked me for good was a visit to Pacific Coast brewing in Oakland while taking the Bar exam in 87 or 88. Aside from their own excellent beers that they brewed on premise, they also had 20 or 30 "guest" beers, that included a number of English ales, as well as a number of other locally brewed ales and lagers (mostly ales, but there were a few lagers). Unlike the swill I'd been drinking from BMC all my life (which had at most subtle differences of flavor), each one these beers was distinctly different from the others. It was an absolute epiphany for me (I'd been to England when I was over in Europe in the Army, so I knew it was possible to brew something that wasn't an AAL, but had always been told that American brewers didn't have the know how to make such beers, and that in any event, even if they were available, Americans wouldn't drink them).

    In no time at all, I found that I was no longer drinking any BMC products. After drinking SNPA, Red Hook ESB and Ballard Bitter, it was simply impossible for me to go back to the flavorless swill I'd drunk my youth. However, what lead to my negative impression of BMC (and eventually to pretty much any AAL as well), was AB's then obvious attempt to stifle my new fond hobby (which at this point, included visiting any new microbrewery that opened in N. California). AB ads continuously belittled craft beer in the area, and they did everything they could to marginalize the industry (mostly by threatening AB distributors to withhold product if continued to distribute craft offerings). Over the years I've seen AB strong arm distributors and retail outlets in an effort to get them to stop carrying craft products, in the hope this would eventually put the small, often under capitalized microbreweries out of business. When that didn't work, BMC producers briefly sold their products at such a low price that no one in their right mind would want to buy craft beer (our local grocery offered 12 packs of MIller for 99 cents for a while with a mail in coupon). That didn't last long (as it was obviously a mistake, and did nothing to enhance people's perception of BMC products), and so after that the big boys tried to make their own competitively priced "craft" beers (still remember Miller's Velvet Stout). Apparently that wasn't particularly successful either, and so then the boys moved on to "stealth" breweries (BMC products, but with a cute gimmicky name that gave the consumer no insight as to actual the brewer). There's more to the history of course (the current strategy seems to include buying up and absorbing craft breweries whenever possible), but over the course of time one thing has become clear. BMC producers are no friend to craft beer, they wish it didn't exist, and they will continue to do everything they can to at least control (somewhat) the industry if they can't destroy it (I'd like to think at this point that InBev-AB and Miller-Coors are resigned to the existence of the craft beer industry, but given their history, my guess is that they still hold out hope that some day it will go away).

    Part and parcel with BMC's attempt to destroy the craft beer industry, has been the ongoing, completely absurd and over the top marketing by the BMC boys. All my life I've listened to BMC adds trying to convince me that beers like bud, miller high life and Coors banquet beers are rich, robust, full flavored, hearty beverages, suitable for all manner of occasion and celebration, that will make me incredibly cool, handsome, strong, savvy, athletic and a complete success with women. Those beers are none of those things, and despite my initial enjoyment of their products in my youth (when of course I had virtually no other choice or recourse), this attitude, along with their attempt to eliminate something I now quite enjoy, has completely soured me both on BMC producers, as well as the insipid products they make.

    I completely agree that consumers should drink whatever they like, and if that happens to be an AAL, then go for it. I would be the last person to make fun or disparage someone for drinking an AAL. However, please don't expect me to ever call it anything other than what it clearly is.... light, watery, insipid, flavorless swill.
     
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  4. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Nothing wrong with enjoying AALs.

    I agree I'm baffled why some of the least offensive AALs are the lowest rated on here. Then some of the off-tasting ones are higher rated simply because there is more "flavor" than say a watered down light beer. Bad flavor shouldn't = higher rating over minimal flavor. Of course flavor is an individual preference, but seems with AALs ratings people go more with flavor = better regardless of how it tastes.
     
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  5. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Same here. Exploring the world of beers as a high schooler, college kid was simply acquiringg 6ers of various AALs,Mexican and Canadian beers (more AALs), and sometimes splurging for an obscure/unknown German beer from the store which almost always were horribly skunked and tasted worse than any AALs. Luckily even with the imports, beers are much fresher today than the 1980s. I remember early beer "snob" days of debating with friends how Labatt's Blue was better than Moosehead or why Sol is better than Corona, why Coors Extra Gold was the better beer over Miller Genuine Draft etc. We were such beer experts! :-)
     
  6. Troutbeerbum

    Troutbeerbum Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2016 Maine

    That post pretty much sums up my experience in my late teens and twenties.
     
  7. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Drink less but drink better. Get 12 packs of SNPA or Sam Adams. If my only choice was to drink AAL I wouldn't drink.
     
  8. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    Wow...I thought we were the only ones doing that back then..we actually had different ratings for the way beers tasted out of cans and out of bottles.....never thought of pouring into a glass other than a red plastic one back then but we developed a big ranking list....if I remember right Moosehead and Michelob on tap were the top of the list....Sol bottles was the worst.....mainly because it was proably 5 years old and terribly skunked but we didn't get all that then....just knew it tasted like shit....now I've had it fresh and it a solid if not one of the better mexican AAL's. oh and Elephant lager was terrible too and very likely many years old now that I think of it...

    I also remember High Life in cans was always better than in bottles which I would flip now....but I bet that had something to do with them being skunked too back then although High Life should have turned over quick enough the light must have got to them easy enough anyhow...
     
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