Dogfish Head - Ancient Ales Glass

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  1. BeerGlassesCollector

    BeerGlassesCollector Maven (1,404) Nov 11, 2002 Cyprus
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    Hello friends,

    From what I could dig up on the internet and the official Dogfish website, Ancient Ales are more extreme, traditional types of ales which I'm not quite sure if they area available all year round or just seasonal and if they are of limited availability. Are these popular in Delaware (and the rest of the US)? I'm only asking because reading the info on their website, I started drooling! Apparently some of these recipes have a lot of work put into them...

    I also need some info on this glass which I recently got my hands on. A guy from the States contacted me and VERY KINDLY offering this glass (and a few others) to trade. I tried finding it on their site (and other sites) to see if it was available for sale but I couldn't find it anywhere. Is this glass part of a promotion or gift-set? If you order one of the Ancient Ales series in a restaurant or bar (if available) do they serve it in this glass?

    Any info would be greatly appreciated!

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  2. SPRichard

    SPRichard Maven (1,296) Apr 26, 2008 New Jersey
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  3. BeerGlassesCollector

    BeerGlassesCollector Maven (1,404) Nov 11, 2002 Cyprus
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    Perfect! Thank you very much!

    What about the first part of the question? As a fan of Ales, this definitely caught my attention. Is it worth spending some $$ to get my hands on a few of these? Being from the other site of the world you can imagine it will probably cost me quite a lot, so is it worth it?
     
  4. NickCaff

    NickCaff Initiate (0) Apr 9, 2009 Pennsylvania

    They can be hit or miss.... I have had a few I have enjoyed, and some that were really tough to drink. It is a really interesting idea, and respect that a lot. I wouldn't spend too much to get them though.
     
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  5. DrinkAnchorSteam

    DrinkAnchorSteam Zealot (558) Jan 23, 2014 Pennsylvania

    As far as I know the only surviving member of the Ancient Ales series available now is Midas Touch. Chateau Jiahu I remember liking and at 10% it's probably the one to get.
     
  6. BeerGlassesCollector

    BeerGlassesCollector Maven (1,404) Nov 11, 2002 Cyprus
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    I'll try and get my hands on one of the 2 then (or both). I hope it will be worth it
     
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  7. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    As you probably noticed, most of the Ancient Ales are listing by Dogfish as "Occasional Rarities." Roughly what that has meant over the years is that they have not been totally retired but are only brewed once in a while and when is unpredictable from outside the brewery as to when that might happen. When they are going to do one of those Rarities we can often find out in advance when they publish their annual release schedule. (I typically check sometime in Dec-Jan timeframe.)

    The Ancient Ales are all based on a collaboration with a Biomolecular Archaeologist Named Patrick McGovern who has spent his career studying ancient alcoholic beverages.

    As for whether you should spend the time, money, and hassles to get some of these, I'd suggest one source of information would be the written reviews on this site for the beers that have been released and seen distribution.

    Here's a bit of information about McGovern and his work:

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-beer-archaeologist-17016372/

    This Ancient Ales series all got started several years back in Philadelphia at a Beer Dinner during "Book and Cook" week with the late Michael Jackson (of beer fame) acting as Master of Ceremonies. McGovern had collected the dried residue from a very very old drinking vessel and proposed a challenge/invitation to at least some of the brewers attending the dinner that they visit lab and talk about recreating the beverage since he already knew it was beer rather than wine.

    The only real interest was from Sam Caligione at Dogfish Head who, in collaboration with McGovern, took on the challenge of brewing a modern day recreation of what King Midas might have been drinking back in the day. The commitment was to make as much use as possible of the ingredients McGovern had identfied in his molecular analyses. They did so with very very few substitutions (and with the admixture of some hops so it could be sold as beer in the United States). The result was Midas Touch, the most successful of Ancient Ale series. Chateau Jiahu was based on the discovery of a 9,000 year old Chinese container that was still sealed and still contained liquid.

    Their collaboration has continued periodically over several years and McGovern has given mulitiple talks about his work, which includes his "experimental archaeology" work with Dogfish Head.

    Here is a link to a short interview with McGovern that includes some about ancient ales.



    A search under "Patrick McGovern" on YouTube will bring up several more videos of McGovern's talks, etc.

    E.g., this link is to a talk given remotely at a conference of Archeologists with much more detail on the work.

    McGovern talks to other Archiologists.
     
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