Antagonized over Extras by New Trader

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by Sabtos, May 6, 2017.

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  1. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I hate having to post this--I really didn't think I'd ever have to as I always try to complete a satisfactory trade and have never had an issue over the many trades I've completed here.

    An old user but seemingly new trader has just harassed me over the extras I sent him in an already lopsided trade in which extras from my end were explicitly stated to be at my whim. I can post the full conversation if necessary--I have nothing to hide and feel it would fully support my position.

    The trade was my Cigar City Hunahpu's for his Trillium Raspberry Soak + "a couple of Trillium IPAs." I made no bones about the lopsided $4$ value.

    To be honest, I would prefer to have the trade with this user deleted entirely from my history since they've decided to blast me for my extras.

    I also do not feel comfortable having a such an unpredictably dissatisfied trader such as this knowing my personal information, but I guess that's the price one pays in this game...
     
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  2. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    I guess the first step here is to let @Samdaddy know about this thread
     
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  3. FFFjunkie

    FFFjunkie Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2014 Illinois

    I don't believe "weak ass extras" qualifies for bad feedback.
     
  4. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    A quick perusal of the Rules says:

    You may be banned without warning for
    • Abusing the Beer Trading Feedback System. Examples:
      • Giving retaliatory feedback.
      • Basing your okay/negative feedback on the lack of extras; unless extras were part of the agreed upon trade.
    This might want to be considered
     
  5. jrstar96

    jrstar96 Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2016 Texas

    I've added Sam daddy to my list of d bags never to trade with. How is a guy who has been around for 14 years not know that an extra is, well AN EXTRA. Unless you sent him natty ice, any extra should be appreciated or in a worst case scenerio thrown away and a mental note made that for your preferences you won't trade with that guy again.
     
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  6. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Right. It's one thing to expect extras in an equal trade. But to feel owed or entitled to more than 4 extras in a lopsided trade? That’s extreme.

    To illustrate, the base agreement was Huna ($30) for Raspberry Soak ($16) plus "a couple of Trillium IPAs" which turned out to be a can of Sprang ($4) and a can of Congress St ($4).

    I've been advised privately to post the extra details here, so just to get that out of the way, here they are:

    The user rated me a BAD TRADER for sending the following extras, while insulting them as scraps, a couple of which are actually multiple award-winning beers:

    Brew Kettle White Rajah, Thirsty Dog Siberian Night, Urban Artifact Pinwheel, plus, since I didn’t take a picture of what I sent and don’t have a photographic memory, either Hoof Hearted Plutonium Nyborg, Other Half Nummy Nug Nug, and/or Wicked Weed Tropicmost. I want to say I sent the Wicked Weed at least for sure.

    He sent me only four extras as well: Jack’s Abby Wicked Philth, Lawson’s Super Session, Lamplighter So Much for Subtlety, and Down the Road Queequeg’s Revenge.

    At this point I feel like I shouldn't have sent anything but the Huna since I doubt I would have gotten positive feedback either way.
     
  7. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    On the face of it the guy sounds like a total tool.
     
  8. Angerhaus

    Angerhaus Pooh-Bah (2,020) Oct 1, 2015 Rhode Island
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    That's bullshit. Huna for Raspberry Soak is EXTREMELY generous, and he should have loaded you up just for agreeing to that.
     
  9. Janeinma

    Janeinma Initiate (0) May 24, 2009 Massachusetts

    ^^^^ This, report the feedback, it needs removed. @dmbforever can you look at this.
    OP I would change the title to 'Negative feedback abuse' which this was.
     
  10. needMIbeer

    needMIbeer Pooh-Bah (2,178) Feb 5, 2014 Virginia
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I would have expected this from someone who is new to the site. The fact that this is someone who has been on BA for 14 years is a bit mind blowing to me..
     
  11. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    @Sabtos

    Am I reading this correctly....you received *negative* feedback from @Samdaddy based solely on the *extras* you sent him?

    If this is indeed true, we will certainly get to the bottom of this.

    @Samdaddy I'm not going to give you many options here, but the first option is to come in this thread and explain yourself. Failure to do so in the next 72hrs is going to get your account banned. Thats plenty of time considering you were last seen perusing the site 3hrs ago.

    We are all patiently waiting...

    Cheers!
     
  12. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Yes sir. He says it himself in his Feedback.

    What are the options here?
     
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  13. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    See post #11 :wink:
     
  14. Angerhaus

    Angerhaus Pooh-Bah (2,020) Oct 1, 2015 Rhode Island
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Much like trading a Huna for a Raspberry Soak, this is EXTREMELY generous.
     
  15. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    This is complete BS, this guy deserves a banning for pulling shit like this.
     
  16. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Based on timing and content the feedback seemed to me to be a retaliation for the negative feedback left by @Sabtos
     
  17. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    My initial feedback was left first, yes, but it was Positive, stating all was well and received relatively quickly. Then he started on about the extras as if he was fishing for more beer while holding his rating of me hostage. After he realized I was standing my ground with how offended I was at this situation, he submitted his rating, which was Negative from the beginning and hasn't changed. I then adjusted my rating to Okay in order to forewarn any new traders that this user does not appreciate extras and feels entitled to far more than is agreed upon with the official trade request.

    Since it was Positive, my initial rating was not the cause for his Negative rating of me, but either way, I don't think it's justifiable. I think my updated rating for him is accurate, as it mentions the trade was completed, but outlines the unattractive behavior of the trader.

    I'm not sure if I am allowed to post the full conversation--I'm not that experienced with the bad trader forum--but I have already compiled it and can easily provide it if necessary.
     
  18. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    He probably will...but I'm giving him the option to explain himself first....and even then...I might not like his explanation...just sayin...
     
  19. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    @Sabtos
    Please hold off from the conversation posts right now. Let's let @Samdaddy reply first and go from there.
     
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  20. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

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    Can't say he did not read the thread
     
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